Question on "free" 2 pp purchases

[Desiria]

I have a question that came up recently at a local game, namely can the "free" purchases of 1 or 2 pp be used to buy items off a chronicle sheet?

One example would be a chronicle sheet that has several wands, including a 10 charge wand of Magic Missile for 150gp. Would this be purchasable for 1 pp?

A second example is a chronicle sheet that includes a wand of False Life with 8 charges worth 720gp. Could this be purchased with 2pp?

I can post details of which chronicle sheets include these items, but I didn't want to give spoilers :)

I apologize if his has been answered already, but I couldn't find anything in the forums that says whether chronicle sheet items are valid for prestige purchases or not. I have had some local GM's say it was fine, and others say they weren't legal so I was hoping for a definitive answer.

[Avatar-1]

Items on a chronicle sheet become "Always Available" items for all intents and purposes.

So you can purchase them using prestige if you want to.

[kinevon]

Just remember that the PP purchase counts against any purchase limits, just as though you were purchasing it for gold.

Both of those sound like items with purchase limits, which need to be followed, whether the purchase is with gold or PP.

On the Magic Missile wand, you are probably better off spending 2 PP for a 50 charge wand of Magic Missile, since the full wand is a more "cost effective" purchase, since they are both going to be at CL1.

In case it hasn't come to your attention, as yet:
Purchases made with PP, other than having to follow normal limits on wands (50 charges unless available otherwise from a Chronicle) allow you to bypass the normal Fame limitations.

In other words, for 1 PP you could buy a scroll with a second level spell scribed on it, even if you don't yet have 5 Fame, or almost any first level wand, even if you don't yetr have 9 Fame.

It cannot buy anything that is not legal for the campaign in general, but it lets you bypass the Fame limits for a few items initially.

Items of note that folks have been known to purchase for 2 PP:
Wand of Cure Light Wounds
Wand of Infernal Healing (requires having access to a legal source for the spell)
Masterwork Darkwood composite longbow (up to Str +3)
Dragonhide breastplate
Wand of Protection from Evil
Wand of Abundant Ammunition
Wand of Mage Armor
Wand of Shield
Wand of Bless
Wand of Gravity Bow/Lead Blades
Potion of Fly
Potion of Gaseous Form

Note: the above is only a short list/sample of legal items to obtain for 2 PP.

[Bbauzh ap Aghauzh]

Not sure I understand what you are saying Kinevon.

Are you saying that if a wand can only on be purchased once off a chronicle sheet, that using PP still only allows you to purchase it once?

Otherwise, you can purchase items outside your fame limit with the 2PP purchase. If you couldn't, then you wouldn't be able to purchase a 1st level wand with the 2PP until you reached 13 fame.

[kinevon]

Andrew Christian wrote:

Not sure I understand what you are saying Kinevon.

Are you saying that if a wand can only on be purchased once off a chronicle sheet, that using PP still only allows you to purchase it once?

Otherwise, you can purchase items outside your fame limit with the 2PP purchase. If you couldn't, then you wouldn't be able to purchase a 1st level wand with the 2PP until you reached 13 fame.

What I was trying to say is that if either of the wands the original poster mentioned has a purchase limit, which is usually (but not always!) the case with non-standard wands (whether it is the number of charges or the caster level or both), then, no matter whether that wand is purchased with gold or PP, that purchase counts against any purchase quantity limitations.

Wand of Magic Missile (10 charges, 150 gp, limit: 1)
as compared to:
Wand of Magic Missile (10 charges, 150 gp)

In the first case, whether you spend 150 gp or 1 PP, you have bought the only 10 charge MM wand allowed. In the second case, you could continue buying more of them, as money and/or PP allowed.

Spoiler:

I believe that some of my PCs have access to a no purchase limit 25 charge Wand of Cure Light Wounds.

Of course, I then pointed out that 10 charges for 1 PP is a lot less cost effective than 50 charges for 2 PP, by a significant amount.

Which then sidetracked me into mentioning that the purchase limitations for PP buying is different than the purchasing limits with gold for various relatively inexpensive magical items. Under the assumption, frmo the initial question, that the poster may not have been aware of the option to purchase a full 50 charge Magic Missile wand for 2 PP, thereby getting 5 times the charges for double the cost.

Which then sidetracked me into mentioning some of the other things that people have mentioned purchasing (or my PCs have purchased themselves!) with 2 PP.

[Desiria]

Thanks for the replies :)

Yes, both initial examples had a purchase limit, and I had assumed that pp purchases count toward that limit. My initial question came about by a GM trying to tell me that buying the 8 charge wand of false life for 2 pp wasn't legal and that I had to buy it with gold. That wasn't my understanding and had I had never been told that before so I wanted to check.

As for why I would want the wand of false life, well lets just say my wizard had a 10 con and wasn't high enough level to cast false life herself, so that wand allowed her to nearly double her HP for every adventure till she could cast the spell herself. Saved my bacon twice!

The magic missile wand was just something I found on a chronicle sheet and was using as an example :)

[kinevon]

I wasn't arguing against the wand of False Life, I think I have the chronicle from that same scenario, although it is on one of my martial PCs, not one able to use it.

Mainly, I got sidetracked into pointing out that PP is not the best option for getting that 10 charge MM wand. Not a bad choice for gold, since the cost is correct, but not one of the better choices for a 1 PP purchase...

Then again, my 6th level Magus is now on his second full wand of Magic Missile. He used up a bunch of charges in various scenarios, especially where going up close and personal (like against waves of enemy attackers) would have been a bad idea. Not as much damage as a good archer can do, nr as big a hit as using his own spells would have provided, but he was able to feel useful for almost every round of that extended combat.