So here it is we are all neutral or a lawful or chaotic variant no good or evil pc's. We are entering the pit from the courtyard in the stone giant fortress for Rotrl and the wizard just animated a couple dragon skeletons that are always neutral evil according to template. Now hearing the sounds of dire bears and giants in the tunnels we are looking to further boost our party strength with summons as needed but maybe a plenary ally. Now the idea is to try to get a movanic deva as it has 12 hd and it's goals are more or less in line with the clerics deity(desna) can it be done? Now none of us is altruistic and even the cleric is only chaotic neutral. Not only that but maybe the draconian skeletons are a deal breaker. How do you gms see this going down?
So it will work just fine then.Super, thanks. Bump?
You may want towaitmore than 22 minutes before bumping a thread. :)
That said, I don't see this working out terribly well for you. Perhaps you might want to consider sommorning something else?
Depends on the alignment of the allying your summing?
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As long as you can convince it that a greater evil can be thwarted with its help, I don't see why this wouldn't work (aside from unlucky dice). The angel may question the use of undead and require additional incentives for allying, but that alone shouldn't be a deal breaker.
As long as you can convince it that a greater evil can be thwarted with its help, I don't see why this wouldn't work (aside from unlucky dice). The angel may question the use of undead and require additional incentives for allying, but that alone shouldn't be a deal breaker.
True this. If anything summon something that would benefit the party more? Highly dought a angel would help, unless drana made the angel help. I mean her cleric did just ask for aid...
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You don't actually get to choose what you summon with Planar Ally;
By casting this spell, you request your deity to send you an outsider (of 6 HD or less) of the deity's choice. If you serve no particular deity, the spell is a general plea answered by a creature sharing your philosophical alignment. If you know an individual creature's name, you may request that individual by speaking the name during the spell (though you might get a different creature anyway).
Did see that last part I am hoping the .gm will work with me. Can't see too many 12hd creatures being more useful for what threats I am looking at such as powerful undead.
Just because it would be good for you doesn't mean it will be good for them. Try and figure out what you would do if you were a Being of Pure Law And Good (tm) yanked from your job supervising the Soul Hospital to help a group of terrorists take out some drug dealers.
Like I said, you might want to summon something more in line with your own ethos. Or maybe be prepared to make lots and lots of donations to orphanages and hospitals...
Not to nit pick but the movanic deva isn't lawful.
Ok, Being of Pure Good, then :). Same general principle applies.
I think it will largely depend on my gms mood/energy level and to a lesser degree my approach. Character backgrounds will factor but how much is uncertain as well. Guess I want to minimize uncertainty but how?
Roflmao.
Well I don't think desna gonna send a baby eater since she is cg so that's a factor as well.
Isn't then a formula for calculating cr by type and hd? If so I could add alignment and really narrow down the list of outsiders desna might send.
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As long as you can convince it that a greater evil can be thwarted with its help, I don't see why this wouldn't work (aside from unlucky dice).Some people suggest that certain evils may never be done, even to achieve something good (think about torture discussion). Hence, the angel might depending on the respective gods stand on the issue of "the end justififes the means" react negatively.
Paladins are allowed to associate with evil persons in order to overcome a greater evil, so I don't see a major problem with a celestial working with a bunch of neutrals for the same purpose as long as the party isn't rubbing its non-goodness in the celestial's face. Which is where the skeletons come in. Monadic Deva in particular are described as undead hunters, so I do think the skeletons are likely to make it less friendly than alignment alone would suggest. Maybe not unwilling to assist in defeating a greater evil, but I'd expect it to place a higher price on its services at least - maybe require that the undead be destroyed as part of its payment.
Movanic on the other hand are infantry and general monster hunters.