To be quite fair, that's the demographic YOU'VE painted over the past few pages.
So someone who doesn't mind the used game thing, has a reliable internet connection, thinks the Kinect is rad, and is excited to see what the Xbox One will deliver is, in your head, indistinguishable from a dumbass?
Every generation, the console wars are repeatedly decried as toxic, counterproductive, and illustrative of the worst that the gaming community has to offer.
And you are putting on one hell of a public demonstration of exactly that. You're not here to do anything except to hate on what you don't like, and literally call anyone who likes something that you hate a dumbass.
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So someone who doesn't mind the used game thing, has a reliable internet connection, thinks the Kinect is rad, and is excited to see what the Xbox One will deliver is, in your head, indistinguishable from a dumbass?
Someone who does no research on the product they're about to buy is a dumbass.
And frankly, anyone who doesn't mind the used game thing is either coming from a much different frame of reference than the majority of people, or doesn't understand the implications of it, yes.
I don't give a damn how "rad" the Kinect is, it has an always on Camera/Microphone and is set up to potentially be used to limit the TV viewing of the console to a limited number of people (ironic considering TV is the main focus of the "game" console) because Microsoft is trying everything they can to take money from your pocket hand over fist on this thing if you buy into it. Again, these are unequivocally bad things.
Every generation, the console wars are repeatedly decried as toxic, counterproductive, and illustrative of the worst that the gaming community has to offer.
And you are putting on one hell of a public demonstration of exactly that. You're not here to do anything except to hate on what you don't like, and literally call anyone who likes something that you hate a dumbass.
It's not about "liking something I hate" its about blindly purchasing something I hate FOR GOOD REASONS and furthering a business system that is inherently detrimental to gaming as a hobby because they couldn't be arsed to do a little reading on the product they're about to purchase, and/or are too shortsighted to realize the implications of some of these features.
Seems par for the course with your replies too. Anyone who disagrees with your POV frequently becomes labeled this.It certainly suggests that the Xbox One is not popular with gamers with access to broadband Internet...you know, it's sole target market (still can't see casual gamers being willing to go through the hassle for this thing).But, as is always the case with a horde of angry internet nerds,
Okay, you're not part of the angry internet horde. Your opinions are fully your own, and are in no way being incited or reinforced by the current echo chamber environment.
So someone who doesn't mind the used game thing, has a reliable internet connection, thinks the Kinect is rad, and is excited to see what the Xbox One will deliver is, in your head, indistinguishable from a dumbass?
Someone who does no research on the product they're about to buy is a dumbass.
And frankly, anyone who doesn't mind the used game thing is either coming from a much different frame of reference than the majority of people, or doesn't understand the implications of it, yes.
I don't give a damn how "rad" the Kinect is, it has an always on Camera/Microphone and is set up to potentially be used to limit the TV viewing of the console to a limited number of people (ironic considering TV is the main focus of the "game" console). Again, these are unequivocally bad things.
No, they're not. They're bad things to you. You can't imagine how someone could be anything other than horrified by those things, so obviously anyone who isn't is a dumbass.
This isn't surprising.
It's not about "liking something I hate" its about blindly purchasing something I hate FOR GOOD REASONS and furthering a business system that is inherently detrimental to gaming as a hobby because they couldn't be arsed to do a little reading on the product they're about to purchase, and/or are too shortsighted to realize the implications of some of these features.
Right, that explains why you're not buying an Xbox One.
It doesn't explain why you're here, sharing with the world exactly how much you hate the Xbox One.
In your head, I (and anyone who doesn't hold your inflamed, quasi-paranoid opinion) am either a shortsighted dumbass who refuses to admit that the man is oppressing us through our video game machines, or I'm an uninformed dumbass who doesn't know anything about the console.
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Okay, you're not part of the angry internet horde. Your opinions are fully your own, and are in no way being incited or reinforced by the current echo chamber environment.Seems par for the course with your replies too. Anyone who disagrees with your POV frequently becomes labeled this.It certainly suggests that the Xbox One is not popular with gamers with access to broadband Internet...you know, it's sole target market (still can't see casual gamers being willing to go through the hassle for this thing).But, as is always the case with a horde of angry internet nerds,
You may wish to consider re-phrasing it. It comes off as, 'Your opinion is only valid if most people disagree with you.' Which, obviously, makes very little sense. Most people, for example, feel it's a bad idea to break into a zoo and attempt to eat the giraffe.
You may wish to consider re-phrasing it. It comes off as, 'Your opinion is only valid if most people disagree with you.'Okay, you're not part of the angry internet horde. Your opinions are fully your own, and are in no way being incited or reinforced by the current echo chamber environment.Seems par for the course with your replies too. Anyone who disagrees with your POV frequently becomes labeled this.It certainly suggests that the Xbox One is not popular with gamers with access to broadband Internet...you know, it's sole target market (still can't see casual gamers being willing to go through the hassle for this thing).But, as is always the case with a horde of angry internet nerds,
I don't think it does.
What I am saying is that the video game internet community is doing a really great job of elevating the belief that the Xbox One is devilspawn and marginalizing the belief that it is a legitimate gaming console. This thread alone is evidence that a lot of people are forming inflamed opinions without understanding why they hold their opinions (see: people who believe they literally own the games they buy, people who believe that your Kinect feed will be actively monitored, etc.).
It's mob mentality. Go figure. Yes, there are some people who are staying at, "These features are an annoyance," instead of being pumped up to, "Microsoft is evil and our rights are under attack!" by each other, but I'm not seeing many of those.
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No, they're not. They're bad things to you. You can't imagine how someone could be anything other than horrified by those things, so obviously anyone who isn't is a dumbass.
This isn't surprising.
They're bad things to anyone who considers them for even 30 seconds.
At the very least they're "not good" things because they IN NO WAY enhance the experience in the slightest.
Right, that explains why you're not buying an Xbox One.
It doesn't explain why you're here, sharing with the world exactly how much you hate the Xbox One.
I'm here sharing it for a few reasons.
The first should be self explanatory if you know what a forum is.
The second is in an attempt to stop however small a fraction of people I can from buying into this garbage so the generation after this still HAS a choice in the matter, at the very least. Because you and I BOTH know that if Microsoft gets away with this Sony's going to follow suit right after, or whoever takes Sony's place as the competitor.
In your head, I (and anyone who doesn't hold your inflamed, quasi-paranoid opinion) am either a shortsighted dumbass who refuses to admit that the man is oppressing us through our video game machines, or I'm an uninformed dumbass who doesn't know anything about the console.
And in your head, I, and anyone who doesn't hold your position is either uneducated, is at fault for their place of residence not having what you consider to be basic infrastructure, and just doesn't "get" why you saying "Well I don't have a problem with it" doesn't make it okay. Because as we all know, Scott Betts is infallible and always knows what is best, even when nobody else agrees with him and he has no valid arguments to speak of to uphold his position besides "I don't have a problem with it, must be your fault".
Now, if we're done sniping at each other, perhaps you have something RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC TO SHARE?
They're bad things to anyone who considers them for even 30 seconds.
Wow, I've been posting in a thread for nearly a week and haven't managed 30 seconds of thought.
Incredible.
The amazing thing is that some people do have the capability to argue something without even considering what they're arguing.
Politics and religion are a great example of this.
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Excuse me for going a tinsy, tiny bit off topic, but i had to share this with you here:
And, yes, judging from what i've seen by looking at the console reveal and from several articles on the internet, not mentioning this fine forum, i have decided not to buy an Xbone. If i get it as a gift (highly unlikely, since most of my friends are very not well to do) i might consider playing it, but only if they remove the fee for used/borrowed games.
If i opt to get a console, it will probably be a wii, or a next-gen wii if it comes out.
The amazing thing is that some people do have the capability to argue something without even considering what they're arguing.
Which explains anyone who disagrees with you.
The amazing thing is that some people do have the capability to argue something without even considering what they're arguing.Which explains anyone who disagrees with you.
Only one of them recently.
Someone who does no research on the product they're about to buy is a dumbass...
Well...double-dumbass on you!
You may wish to consider re-phrasing it. It comes off as, 'Your opinion is only valid if most people disagree with you.'Okay, you're not part of the angry internet horde. Your opinions are fully your own, and are in no way being incited or reinforced by the current echo chamber environment.Seems par for the course with your replies too. Anyone who disagrees with your POV frequently becomes labeled this.It certainly suggests that the Xbox One is not popular with gamers with access to broadband Internet...you know, it's sole target market (still can't see casual gamers being willing to go through the hassle for this thing).But, as is always the case with a horde of angry internet nerds,I don't think it does.
What I am saying is that the video game internet community is doing a really great job of elevating the belief that the Xbox One is devilspawn and marginalizing the belief that it is a legitimate gaming console. This thread alone is evidence that a lot of people are forming inflamed opinions without understanding why they hold their opinions (see: people who believe they literally own the games they buy, people who believe that your Kinect feed will be actively monitored, etc.).
It's mob mentality. Go figure. Yes, there are some people who are staying at, "These features are an annoyance," instead of being pumped up to, "Microsoft is evil and our rights are under attack!" by each other, but I'm not seeing many of those.
It's not as though there's been a big announcement, telling people 'All you are buying is the right to play the game - you own nothing.' It's not slapped on the box, and most people don't wade through a ton of tiny text to find it. So it's not shocking most people consider buying a disc means you own the disc.
Besides which, those people are all relevant. That they got there opinion based on what a majority are saying doesn't make those opinions irrelevant - it certainly won't make them irrelevant to Microsoft's accounting department if those opinions stop them buying a game.
I mean, hell, so far you are literally the only thing remotely resembling a supporter to the One anywhere I go. And I notice you're not actually supporting it. You are arguing that some of the issues aren't that big, and won't affect sales (something I disagree with) but I do notice you haven't responded to any comments about it's sales having problems because it's advantages are so limited and it's issues are so relevant. I don't think I've even see you say you would buy one - only that the issues wouldn't prevent you from doing so.
You may wish to consider re-phrasing it. It comes off as, 'Your opinion is only valid if most people disagree with you.'Okay, you're not part of the angry internet horde. Your opinions are fully your own, and are in no way being incited or reinforced by the current echo chamber environment.Seems par for the course with your replies too. Anyone who disagrees with your POV frequently becomes labeled this.It certainly suggests that the Xbox One is not popular with gamers with access to broadband Internet...you know, it's sole target market (still can't see casual gamers being willing to go through the hassle for this thing).But, as is always the case with a horde of angry internet nerds,I don't think it does.
What I am saying is that the video game internet community is doing a really great job of elevating the belief that the Xbox One is devilspawn and marginalizing the belief that it is a legitimate gaming console. This thread alone is evidence that a lot of people are forming inflamed opinions without understanding why they hold their opinions (see: people who believe they literally own the games they buy, people who believe that your Kinect feed will be actively monitored, etc.).
It's mob mentality. Go figure. Yes, there are some people who are staying at, "These features are an annoyance," instead of being pumped up to, "Microsoft is evil and our rights are under attack!" by each other, but I'm not seeing many of those.
It's not as though there's been a big announcement, telling people 'All you are buying is the right to play the game - you own nothing.' It's not slapped on the box, and most people don't wade through a ton of tiny text to find it. So it's not shocking most people consider buying a disc means you own the disc.
Besides which, those people are all relevant. That they got...
Nothing to add; I just wanted to make an even longer reply cascade...
I mean, hell, so far you are literally the only thing remotely resembling a supporter to the One anywhere I go. And I notice you're not actually supporting it. You are arguing that some of the issues aren't that big, and won't affect sales (something I disagree with) but I do notice you haven't responded to any comments about it's sales having problems because it's advantages are so limited and it's issues are so relevant. I don't think I've even see you say you would buy one - only that the issues wouldn't prevent you from doing so.
That's because it's really, really silly to make purchasing decisions (or pick a side, since we're obviously back to infantile console wars territory) when we haven't even had a look at the games line-up.
I have, however, said that it's likely I'll end up buying both the PS4 and Xbox One, if history is any indication - I tend to pick up all the major console hardware eventually.
If someone buys me an Xbox One as a gift (very unlikely), I'll either sell it back to some store or demolish it.
As for the PS4, I am not sure if I'll buy that either. Seems all the games I am interested in are going to be on the PS3 anyway.
I cannot fathom how you have missed the point so completely.
Having a look at the game's line-up doesn't matter. They have already revealed several features that, to me, are unacceptable, and which should merit at least a double take from others when they see it.
The games are irrelevant when you need this console to play them on. This discussion has never been, and is not currently about the games. It is about the already revealed features of the XBone.
What Rynjin said is true. I don't need (nor want) to jump over numerous hoops for greedy corporate bastards just to play a game.
I didn't need to in the years before, and I don't see why I should do so now. At this rate, console gaming WILL die beneath the PC's foot.
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I don't think people are "picking a side"(though that is being made easier and tempting here), so much as looking at what is happening with the Xbox and going, "Wait, that's a bad idea. Please don't do that." That's not console warring. That's wanting a major player to not screw things up in a big way for everyone.
This is looking like a reversal of roles from the beginning of the 360/Wii/PS3 generation though. Which now has me worried about how often PS4s are gonna just keel over.
That's because it's really, really silly to make purchasing decisions (or pick a side, since we're obviously back to infantile console wars territory) when we haven't even had a look at the games line-up.
It would be - if the lines up weren't likely to be virtually identical. On the whole of the last generation, each console only had maybe a 150 or so exclusive games...in fact, let's go find out.
Wiki listing of Exclusives - not a huge number, especially when you look at The 360's more or less complete library of games.
With exclusives being a small number of the games sold on the previous consoles, and no hint that it will be likely to change on this one, you have to look heavily at the other features - and the Xbox is currently getting a drumming. There are even rumours now that Sony was umming and arring over adding something to do with second hand games, but has seen the reaction to Microsoft and gone, 'Nope.' This may be false, and Sony may end up adding it, but as things stand the PS4 is clearly a better choice. Unless you really, really like Halo.
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Research, pish-posh! You humans have got such limited little minds. I don't know why I like you so much!
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Because we're sexy in a shy way?
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Because we're sexy in a shy way?
That's true. That's very true. I was going to say because you have such good taste. But you're quite clever and sexy, as well.
I cannot fathom how you have missed the point so completely.
We weren't talking about you.
I don't have any of the hang-ups that you do, so both consoles are legitimate options for me (and, astonishingly, other people too!). But I don't have enough information to make a useful decision about which console will appeal to me more (currently the Xbox is ahead, but only because it supports Kinect; if the games fail to make use of that technology, that may become less of a selling point for me), and probably won't until much closer to release. E3 will draw the curtain back somewhat though.
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It suggests that it made a subset of gamers angry enough to complain. But, as is always the case with a horde of angry internet nerds, the ones you hear from are typically just the angriest, and you end up hearing far more complaints than you would if you were taking an accurate sampling.
A misrepresentation of the poll. It's not about people complaining about the XB1, it's about whether people - at this stage - are favouring PS4 or XB1. At the moment they are overwhelmingly favouring PS4. The negative publicity may or may not be a factor - it may well be that those voting are more interested in a potential UNCHARTED 4 than a HALO 5 or have simply always preferred Sony - as reasons are not given.
It's simply a sample poll coming after both X-Box and Sony's initial product demonstrations that shows that Sony has emerged as the clear victory so far. This could dramatically reverse at E3 if Microsoft show off more and superior exclusives.
Has there beem any indication on how much each of these consoles are going to cost?
From the companies involved? No. Just 'cheaper than last generation at launch'. Given their off-the-shelf hardware and architecture, they should be noticeably cheaper, certainly less than $500/£500 and maybe less than $400/£400.
There is also a rumour that Microsoft will have a much cheaper option (maybe even £250-£300) if you get a two-year X-Box Live Gold subscription at the same time. That could be tempting for some people.
what advantage does the Xbox One actually have?
Right now, the sole advantage are the exclusives (but as you say the PS4 and PC will have their own exclusives as well) and possibly the HALO TV series, but you should be able to watch that via a 360 as well and of course get it on DVD/Blu-Ray later on.
Other than that, the XB1 appears to be technically inferior and much more restrictive in what you can do with it than the PS4. So the correct answer is "Nowt."
I'm really hoping that recent games, like Fallout NV and Halo 4 will still work with the X1
They won't. The XB1 has no way of playing old games. The PS4 does, via the cloud-streaming system (which won't help you with HALO, as they won't have it, but they should have FALLOUT NV and any other game also released on PS1/2/3).
Excuse me for going a tinsy, tiny bit off topic, but i had to share this with you here:
I am still laughing
The XB1 and PS4 are a generation ahead of PC gaming? Er, no. Not even close. The PS4 and the PC will have parity for a while - possibly as long as a year - before the PC pulls ahead. Both will be noticeably ahead of the XB1 at launch.
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Meh.
I've tried to get into the better rated editions of the xbox exclusives, Halo IV an Reach as well as Gears of War, they never grabbed me. I usually buy both consoles regardless because my friends have both too but this time we are all sitting this one out xbox–wise. Two of them preferred the xbox solely for the controller. I personally prefer the Sony exclusives, and I use mine as my main bluray player for movies as well.
As far as your "angry Internet horde", if you talk to gamers offline I'm sure many of them wouldn't appreciate the used game policy. What you consider led by the nose mob mentality might just be a majority coming to similar conclusions about expensive purchases. There might be a lot of parents with multiple children who may not have the extra cash to buy multiple copies of games for each kid.
There might be a lot of parents with multiple children who may not have the extra cash to buy multiple copies of games for each kid.
Coming from a family with multiple siblings (who usually bullied me because I was the black sheep of the family), I can assure you that 80% of the time, kids do NOT like sharing with their brothers and sisters.
Literally there is only one XBox exclusive that I wish was available for another platform: Shadow Complex.
While I wasn't a Halo fan, I'm glad bungie's Destiny will be a PS4 title as well. It looks interesting.
There might be a lot of parents with multiple children who may not have the extra cash to buy multiple copies of games for each kid.Coming from a family with multiple siblings (who usually bullied me because I was the black sheep of the family), I can assure you that 80% of the time, kids do NOT like sharing with their brothers and sisters.
I can imagine that. :) All kids go through a "Larfleeze" stage.
To add to that families with multiple children at various ages in separate rooms require multiple consoles, I wouldn't want to worry about multiple purchases beyond that for every single future game they might want to play as well.
I'm sitting and thinking, and the Xbox One's big problem? It's exclusive. In a very, very bad way.
- Don't have or want broadband? We don't want your cash.
- Don't like the Kinect? We don't want your money.
- Don't want to buy all your games new at full price? Then we don't want to see a penny of your money.
- Want a bigger hard drive? Then wait for the inevitable slimline version. Otherwise, naff off.
So unless you're a broadband connected, well financed, Kinect loving gamer whose satisfied with 500gig, this isn't a console for you. That's a lot of boxes to tick, especially compared to the PS4, which is;
- Do you not want to play games? Then we don't desire your pennies!
Although I admit, I'm still sitting and waiting for Sony to go, 'Oh yeah, you can't do second hand games on our console either' once the backlash against Microsoft has faded a little (or something worse comes along to distract people). It would be nice to think they were smarter, but...
But yeah, I just realized that only one account per Xbox will be able to actually play games. I certainly can't afford four copies of each game for each of my kids. All at full price. True, they could all share one account, but the age differences make that awkward...especially when the other option is, currently, 'Just buy a PS4.' And that's not thinking about my account, which they can't share.
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Microsoft apparently not happy and now censoring responses...
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They just made it worse for themselves.
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- Want a bigger hard drive? Then wait for the inevitable slimline version. Otherwise, naff off.
To be fair, this is not a problem, or as much of a problem as people are making out. For my PC I have 120 games on Steam and an additional 183 boxed. It is not physically possible to have all of them - or even a majority of them - installed simultaneously (I have a 1TB internal drive and a 250GB 'essentials' backup drive, as well as a 1TB external).
Instead, I have about 10-15 installed at a time and uninstall and install as needed, from disk or Steam as required (I have a 30MB cable broadband connection, capable of 3-4 MBps downloads from Steam). For most of my games it's faster to install from Steam than it is from a disk. When I uninstall, the saves either remain stored on the PC or are stored in the Steam cloud system (I can also manually back up saves, and if they're small enough store them in email attachments). Achievements, trophies, stats etc are all stored on my profile regardless of whether the game is installed or not.
Both the new consoles will use similar systems (except that PS4 apparently won't 'always' need you to install a game completely, probably just on the majority of occasions). Unless you have a pathological need to have more than 20 games installed simultaneously, there shouldn't be an issue.
All of that said, 500GB hard drives in both machines seems rather cheap when you can get 1-2TB drives for not a huge sum of money. I'm also surprised that neither will be toting a solid-state drive (if only for the OS) for near-instant-load times. That seems more backwards than anything else.
All of that said, 500GB hard drives in both machines seems rather cheap when you can get 1-2TB drives for not a huge sum of money. I'm also surprised that neither will be toting a solid-state drive (if only for the OS) for near-instant-load times. That seems more backwards than anything else.
SSD's are still expensive as hell. My Corsair Neutron 480gb was close to 500 smackeroos when I bought it.
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But they are monsters. I remember chatting with a friend on skype, he said "wait, downloaded an update, gotta restart" i said ok and 20 seconds later he was back online. Bastard.
Plus if you get a separate SSD for the operating system, it would speed up games greatly.
Yeah, you wouldn't use the SSD as the main drive as ones over 200GB or so are ludicrously expensive. But a lot of people now use small ones for the OS and put everything else on a separate, standard magnetic drive.
Microsoft apparently not happy and now censoring responses...
Disabling comments on your YouTube videos = censorship, now?
The rhetoric is getting kind of insane, guys.
Just a rumor at the moment, buuuuuuut...
If this is true, i'm so glad that i invest in a gaming PC.
PC gaming FTW, but we've had to put up with not being able to resell games or pick up used ones for almost ten years. There's the new EU law forcing Valve to let Steam users resell games, but that's not been fully enacted yet.
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I don't honestly care about reselling. I by my games, and i prefer to own them. I am very proud of my game library.
I understand how other people might want to get rid of games they no longer care about. I usually give them away to cousins and such.
The only thing that really bothers me is that some of the console exclusive games are actually pretty good. I am kinda sad that i missed them all, since i haven't purchased a console since sega genesis and don't intend to.
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Microsoft apparently not happy and now censoring responses...
Disabling comments on your YouTube videos = censorship, now?
When they allowed it previously before the negative comments? umm... yeah.
When they allowed it previously before the negative comments? umm... yeah.Microsoft apparently not happy and now censoring responses...
Disabling comments on your YouTube videos = censorship, now?
Do you believe they have an obligation to provide a place for the pitchforks-and-torches crowd to rant at them with all the civility of a 13 year-old CoD player?
I don't think they do. I think they saw the content of the comments and decided that they'd rather not support a page chock full of comments like that. YouTube videos and their comments are part of a company's "face". Their only real obligation is to make sure that they aren't putting the ugliness of the gaming community on display as something they support.
