So I had a character on the go before for PFS, but due to bad book keeping on my part I have decided to just make a new character instead of trying to solve the massive head ache of paperwork I would need to do to fix the old one. Was just wondering if I could get some imput from you guys to see how well the build will work thematically as well as mechanically.
Human Enlightened Philosopher Oracle
Nature Mystery
Lame curse
Str 10
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 14
Wis 14
Cha 16
Revelations:
1st - Bonded Mount[Horse with totem guide animal archetype]
3rd - Nature's Whispers
Feats:
H.Bonus - Huntsmaster[Horse]
1st - Skill focus(knowlege[Nature])
3rd - Eldritch Heritage(arcane)[Chose Familiar]
Bonded Mount Feats:
Stable Gallop
Narrow Frame
The Idea is to make a support based healer/buffer with good mobility due to riding around on a mount. Once 3rd level rolls around I would be getting a thrush familiar for delivering touch spells(cure spells mostly). Flavor wise, he is a wizend old mage who doesn't focus on the big flashy explosions of the younger generation. Instead he focuses on subtle yet effective spells(buffs/support). Think of Gandalf from LoTR if he could cast healing spells etc. As for his reason for joining up with the society, he has waited a long while and has decided that one of the best ways to learn more about the world is to actually traverse it. So he joined up to adventure across the land, learning new secrets about the world and its denizens.
I only went to level 3 so far. Would you have any suggestions for the current build and perhaps afterwards? I think he will be fun to play as is, but learning what others have done is also great. =)
For pfs having the mount and the familiar both in combat may violate the "one critter rule" at the DMs discretion
As I understand it, you can't have both a familiar and a mount at the same time. Only one combat companion per player (this excludes any mundane pack animals and such).
Instead of being human, you could be an Aasimar and pick up the Scion of Humanity alternate racial trait, so you can still qualify for the Huntmaster feat. Spend your Favored Class Bonus on the special Aasimar oracle option to increase your level by 1/2 for calculating the benefit of one of your revelations (choose the bonded mount). Then at 3rd level, take the Celestial Servant feat to give it the Celestial template. By 4th level, you'll have an effective druid level of 7 for your mount, plus he'll have DR, SR, energy resistances and a smite evil. Mmm...
RainyDayNinja wrote: As I understand it, you can't have both a familiar and a mount at the same time. Only one combat companion per player (this excludes any mundane pack animals and such).
Instead of being human, you could be an Aasimar and pick up the Scion of Humanity alternate racial trait, so you can still qualify for the Huntmaster feat. Spend your Favored Class Bonus on the special Aasimar oracle option to increase your level by 1/2 for calculating the benefit of one of your revelations (choose the bonded mount). Then at 3rd level, take the Celestial Servant feat to give it the Celestial template. By 4th level, you'll have an effective druid level of 7 for your mount, plus he'll have DR, SR, energy resistances and a smite evil. Mmm...
From FAQ:
How many animals can I have at any given time?
During the course of a scenario, you may have one combat animal and as many noncombat animals as you like. Noncombat animals (ponies, horses, pet dogs, and so on) cannot participate in combat at all. If you have so many noncombat animals that their presence is slowing a session down, the GM has the right to ask you to select one noncombat animal and leave the rest behind. A summoner's eidolon is considered an animal companion for the purposes of counting combat and noncombat animals. If you have more than one class-granted animal companion (or eidolon), you must choose which will be considered the combat animal at the start of the scenario. In general, a mount, a familiar or mundane pet, and your class-granted animal(s) are acceptable, but more than that can be disruptive.
The last line indicates that I can have a mount and familiar so long as it doesnt cause to many headaches. While the bonded mount may use the animal companion stats block it is essentially just a mount for him, thus its the same as using a regularly bought horse just with more durability. Correct me if im wrong.
The trouble you may encounter is your horse will be left out in many adventures since it is large. If you rely on a mount I would pick a small character and get a medium mount so it can fit everywehre.
I am in love with the dual cursed oracle. I think the extra revelations and misfortune are amazing. You could also take haunted or legalistic as a second curse. Haunted has some awesome spells you get. Blackened limbs if you plan to never use weapons to attack.
Keep in mind misfortune can be used on allies too if they are within 30'.
My min maxer side would also say to dump str more since you are a caster and you have a mount carry your stuff. Plus you are an oldish guy you can have a lower strength
I wouldn't say wrong but definitely running into that murky area of dm interpretation. Your mount may or may not be participating in combat by providing you with a movement rate
BigNorseWolf wrote: I wouldn't say wrong but definitely running into that murky area of dm interpretation. Your mount may or may not be participating in combat by providing you with a movement rate Wouldn't the "non combat" mount im allowed on top of my familiar technically be a combat pet then? =P
The mount will effect combat just by being a large creature. You easily bottle neck things and block enemies off with a 2 by 2 block.
Finlanderboy wrote: The trouble you may encounter is your horse will be left out in many adventures since it is large. If you rely on a mount I would pick a small character and get a medium mount so it can fit everywehre.
I am in love with the dual cursed oracle. I think the extra revelations and misfortune are amazing. You could also take haunted or legalistic as a second curse. Haunted has some awesome spells you get. Blackened limbs if you plan to never use weapons to attack.
Keep in mind misfortune can be used on allies too if they are within 30'.
My min maxer side would also say to dump str more since you are a caster and you have a mount carry your stuff. Plus you are an oldish guy you can have a lower strength
I might do that with the strength dump like you say. It would fit his character too. I got the mount to take the narrow frame feat specifically so it could go where the rest of the party goes indoors(so long as its socialy acceptable) and not suffer all of the penalties of being in a tight fit.
Well I know a handfull of adventures your mount would need to sit outside cause it can not fit or not allowed as you mention. So when you play those adventures it is sad you spent those resources on a mount and it is sitting someplace waiting for you. Also I have seen people invisible their mounts into areas they should not be allowed in. But size will be an issue. Also a ladder you need to climb would be rough on your mount.
Finlanderboy wrote: Well I know a handfull of adventures your mount would need to sit outside cause it can not fit or not allowed as you mention. So when you play those adventures it is sad you spent those resources on a mount and it is sitting someplace waiting for you. Also I have seen people invisible their mounts into areas they should not be allowed in. But size will be an issue. Also a ladder you need to climb would be rough on your mount. Yup. Im willing to live with those limitations. Eventually I can magic my mount anywhere, but for the first little bit it will be tough. But creative solutions are awlays fun.
I also just realised that due to scaling of eldritch heritage, I wont get to deliver touch spells with my thrush till character level 5. But boon companion at that level would also net me speak with master, though im thinking that it wont really be needed as the thrush can speak any language I want. Common being the obvious choice so I can use it as a messenger for the party.
Yu know what would be cool. Your horse would have an int of atleast 6. IS you can put ranks in any skill or give it an ioune stone. Give it rank in linguistics and you could consult your horse about languages.
I think that woul dbe hilarious to say "hey let Wiblur look at those markings he may be able to know what they say. Yes yes yes that might be right Wilbur. Wilbur has dechipered the langauge and said ti means..."
To a lessor effect you could get sense motive since his wis would be 12 and see if wilbur trusts'em.
Finlanderboy wrote: Yu know what would be cool. Your horse would have an int of atleast 6. IS you can put ranks in any skill or give it an ioune stone. Give it rank in linguistics and you could consult your horse about languages.
I think that woul dbe hilarious to say "hey let Wiblur look at those markings he may be able to know what they say. Yes yes yes that might be right Wilbur. Wilbur has dechipered the langauge and said ti means..."
To a lessor effect you could get sense motive since his wis would be 12 and see if wilbur trusts'em.
Haha yeah. I love quirky things like that. I'm gonna be chatting up a storm with my horse and bird lol.
I would so have wilbur take 20 on skills and say "hey he is a god#$%@ horse give him a minute or two Gah Calistra you whore!".
The famaliar would have all the skills you have, so he could aide you in anything.
That would be awesome. I kinda wanna do that now.
1) You can either use the horse or the familiar in combat, not both. Which ever one you choose, you can not gain ANY benefit from the other. Ie. If you choose the familiar you are not longer mounted and now will have to walk.
2) BUY animal archive! If you have a large animal companion, the the feat narrow frame is a must. This feat lets you squeeze without most of the penalties. Now you can take that horse into 5ft corridors and not worry.
BigNorseWolf wrote: I wouldn't say wrong but definitely running into that murky area of dm interpretation. Your mount may or may not be participating in combat by providing you with a movement rate Using the mount to move would be combat imho, especially since it will counter lame curse's penalty.
Lab_Rat wrote: 1) You can either use the horse or the familiar in combat, not both. Which ever one you choose, you can not gain ANY benefit from the other. Ie. If you choose the familiar you are not longer mounted and now will have to walk.
2) BUY animal archive! If you have a large animal companion, the the feat narrow frame is a must. This feat lets you squeeze without most of the penalties. Now you can take that horse into 5ft corridors and not worry.
I am pretty sure i can have both. The last line says i can have a mount, and or familiar on top of my class granted pet. In this case i get my familiar on top of my class granted animal companion, which is just there to ride on. As for animal archive, i have it and love it! Narrow fram and stable gallop are the first two feats my horse is going to take. Also, the horse will have the totem guide archetype, and the familiar will have the valet archetype.
Curaigh wrote: BigNorseWolf wrote: I wouldn't say wrong but definitely running into that murky area of dm interpretation. Your mount may or may not be participating in combat by providing you with a movement rate Using the mount to move would be combat imho, especially since it will counter lame curse's penalty. Thats the point of the horse. This lame old man doesnt want to walk everywhere. Im also using it to make a bigger disparity between mounted benefits and foot slogging.
If the pet goes on the battle-mat, then its affecting combat.
Regardless of if it goes on the mat or not, it clearly says I can have a familiar on top of my class granted pet for combat.
Celestial_Chameleon wrote: ...
The Idea is to make a support based healer/buffer with good mobility due to riding around on a mount. Once 3rd level rolls around I would be getting a thrush familiar for delivering touch spells(cure spells mostly).
I think this is where you will get the most grief from GMs.
Curaigh wrote: Celestial_Chameleon wrote: ...
The Idea is to make a support based healer/buffer with good mobility due to riding around on a mount. Once 3rd level rolls around I would be getting a thrush familiar for delivering touch spells(cure spells mostly).
I think this is where you will get the most grief from GMs. So how is my mobility any worse than any other mounted class? On top of that, deliver touch spell works on all touch spells, including cure spells. It doesn't diferentiate. If anything its weaker than me running up to touch them or using reach spell as they can kill the familiar.
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