Improving a Tank


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Liberty's Edge

I am trying to make a character that is a walking tank (Hard to hit and hard to kill), right now this is what I have

http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns/lords-of-the-green/characters/place -holder-1

Obviously he is going to be very easy to hit with spells, but would you have any suggestions on improving him?

Thanks


Here is afore mentioned character

Alright after looking at him I'd suggest you focus on acquiring magical items that boost touch AC. Ring of Deflection and anything granting a dodge bonus will help here. Other than that he's a pretty solid guy. Get adamantine full plate when you can, maybe with a permanent effotless armor cast on it. Shame your DR doesn't stack with Stalwart, otherwise you could really give the Invulnerable Rager barbarian builds a run for their money.


I would work up to getting Ray Shield so that you can deflect 1 ranged touch attack/round.

Also, take 3 ranks in acrobatics. For when you decide to fight defensively.

"Special: If you have 3 or more ranks in Acrobatics, you gain a +3 dodge bonus to AC when fighting defensively instead of the usual +2, and a +6 dodge bonus to AC when taking the total defense action instead of the usual +4."

Lantern Lodge

I built this character a while back u can extrapolate what ever u wish from it. Personally i view this character as the only true way to "tank" in a game that was designed to have no true tank.

-Race-
Human

-Classes-
Fighter (Lore Warden) 14/ Monk (Monk of the Four Winds / Monk of the Sacred Mountain) 2/ Ranger (Weapon and Shield) 2/ Rogue 2

-Stats-
STR 14 (+6 magic item) = 20
DEX 16 (+4 leveling)(+6 magic item) = 26
CON 15 (+2 racial)(+1 leveling) = 18
INT 14
WIS 10
CHA 08

-Saves-
fort 22
ref 22
will 13

ac 47 (+5 combat expertise)(+3 fighting defensively) = 55
touch 24 (+5 combat expertise)(+3 fighting defensively) = 32
flat-footed 29

to hit with unarmed attacks with weapon finesse 26 (-4 combat expertise)(-1 fighting defensively) = 21

-Traits-
Threatening Defender

-Feat / Level Progression-
Ra01) Combat Reflexes, Stand Still
Ra02) Shield Focus
M 03) Elemental Fist, Dodge, Crane Style
M 04) Toughness, Deflect Arrows
F 05) Weapon Focus Unarmed Strike, Missile Shield
F 06) Combat Expertise, Weapon Finesse
F 07) Crane Wing
F 08) Saving Shield
F 09) Bodyguard
F 10) Crane Riposte
F 11) Draconic Defender
F 12) Greater Shield Focus
F 13) Disruptive
F 14) Spellbreaker
F 15) Pin Down
F 16) Ray Shield
F 17) Mobility
F 18) Spring Attack
Ro19) Whirlwind Attack
Ro20) Talent - Combat Trick (Weapon Specialization Unarmed Strike)

-Magic Gear-
Bracers of Armor(+8)
Mithril Heavy Shield (+5 Arrow Catching, Arrow Deflection)
Ring of Protection (+5)
Ring of Regeneration
Amulet of Natural Armor(+5)
Belt of Physical Might (+6 str / +6 dex)
Cloak of Resistance (+5)

-Tanking Method-
Fight with caster standing behind u since any thing that enters ur threaten area will not be able to exit ur threaten are via Stand Still and Pin Down as well all incoming missile attacks would veer towards u via Arrow Catching. When making an attack action fight defensively and use combat expertise to up personal ac and grant 1 adjacent party member a natural armor bonus equal to the dodge bonus from combat expertise and fighting defensively via Draconic Defender. Use AoO to grant aid another ac to an adjacent party member via Bodyguard and an immediate action grant shield bonus via Saving Shield. Negate 1 melee attack, 1 ranged spell attack, and 3 ranged missile attacks a round via Crane Wing, Ray Shield, Deflect Arrows, Missile Shield, and Arrow Deflection.


Writer wrote:

Here is afore mentioned character

Alright after looking at him I'd suggest you focus on acquiring magical items that boost touch AC. Ring of Deflection and anything granting a dodge bonus will help here. Other than that he's a pretty solid guy. Get adamantine full plate when you can, maybe with a permanent effotless armor cast on it. Shame your DR doesn't stack with Stalwart, otherwise you could really give the Invulnerable Rager barbarian builds a run for their money.

Doesn't stalwart specifically call out that it stacks with class abilities that give DR?


Thomas Long 175 wrote:
Writer wrote:

Here is afore mentioned character

Alright after looking at him I'd suggest you focus on acquiring magical items that boost touch AC. Ring of Deflection and anything granting a dodge bonus will help here. Other than that he's a pretty solid guy. Get adamantine full plate when you can, maybe with a permanent effotless armor cast on it. Shame your DR doesn't stack with Stalwart, otherwise you could really give the Invulnerable Rager barbarian builds a run for their money.

Doesn't stalwart specifically call out that it stacks with class abilities that give DR?

Huh, you're right. This suddenly makes the armormaster more viable. Good call.


2 people marked this as FAQ candidate.
Writer wrote:
Thomas Long 175 wrote:
Writer wrote:

Here is afore mentioned character

Alright after looking at him I'd suggest you focus on acquiring magical items that boost touch AC. Ring of Deflection and anything granting a dodge bonus will help here. Other than that he's a pretty solid guy. Get adamantine full plate when you can, maybe with a permanent effotless armor cast on it. Shame your DR doesn't stack with Stalwart, otherwise you could really give the Invulnerable Rager barbarian builds a run for their money.

Doesn't stalwart specifically call out that it stacks with class abilities that give DR?
Huh, you're right. This suddenly makes the armormaster more viable. Good call.

Armor Master specifically says that it's DR doesn't stack with other sources of DR, so it looks like Stalwart is out. The class feature's language takes precedence.


Damocles Guile wrote:
Writer wrote:
Thomas Long 175 wrote:
Writer wrote:

Here is afore mentioned character

Alright after looking at him I'd suggest you focus on acquiring magical items that boost touch AC. Ring of Deflection and anything granting a dodge bonus will help here. Other than that he's a pretty solid guy. Get adamantine full plate when you can, maybe with a permanent effotless armor cast on it. Shame your DR doesn't stack with Stalwart, otherwise you could really give the Invulnerable Rager barbarian builds a run for their money.

Doesn't stalwart specifically call out that it stacks with class abilities that give DR?
Huh, you're right. This suddenly makes the armormaster more viable. Good call.
Armor Master specifically says that it's DR doesn't stack with other sources of DR, so it looks like Stalwart is out. The class feature's language takes precedence.

Actually, at best I'd call that an FAQ. The rule is that the more specific rule takes precedence. You have a feat that specifies that it gives DR that stacks with all class features, while you have a class feature that states that it doesn't get DR from other sources.

I'm calling an FAQ.


Thomas Long 175 wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:
Writer wrote:
Thomas Long 175 wrote:
Writer wrote:

Here is afore mentioned character

Alright after looking at him I'd suggest you focus on acquiring magical items that boost touch AC. Ring of Deflection and anything granting a dodge bonus will help here. Other than that he's a pretty solid guy. Get adamantine full plate when you can, maybe with a permanent effotless armor cast on it. Shame your DR doesn't stack with Stalwart, otherwise you could really give the Invulnerable Rager barbarian builds a run for their money.

Doesn't stalwart specifically call out that it stacks with class abilities that give DR?
Huh, you're right. This suddenly makes the armormaster more viable. Good call.
Armor Master specifically says that it's DR doesn't stack with other sources of DR, so it looks like Stalwart is out. The class feature's language takes precedence.

Actually, at best I'd call that an FAQ. The rule is that the more specific rule takes precedence. You have a feat that specifies that it gives DR that stacks with all class features, while you have a class feature that states that it doesn't get DR from other sources.

I'm calling an FAQ.

You're free to do as you like but I can tell you that I'm 100% correct on this. The thing being affected always take precedence over the thing doing the affecting.

Think of it as a wants to vs. a can thing - Stalwart 'wants' to stack with Armor Master but Armor says it can't. Case closed.


Damocles Guile wrote:

You're free to do as you like but I can tell you that I'm 100% correct on this. The thing being affected always take precedence over the thing doing the affecting.

Think of it as a wants to vs. a can thing - Stalwart 'wants' to stack with Armor Master but Armor says it can't. Case closed.

Actually I'm pretty sure they didn't intend that and that its meant to stop stacking of DR with other class features. Then again I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't make armor master intentionally weaker than it already is.

Lantern Lodge

Thomas Long 175 wrote:
Damocles Guile wrote:

You're free to do as you like but I can tell you that I'm 100% correct on this. The thing being affected always take precedence over the thing doing the affecting.

Think of it as a wants to vs. a can thing - Stalwart 'wants' to stack with Armor Master but Armor says it can't. Case closed.

Actually I'm pretty sure they didn't intend that and that its meant to stop stacking of DR with other class features. Then again I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't make armor master intentionally weaker than it already is.

FAQ it and for the time being just Ask JJ. If it is then it is if it is not then it is not.

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