I hope that's clear enough.
Please restrict your answers to the form of a number. All possible elaborations of the answers can already be found on the forums, and have left this question unclear, even to VOs. So PLEASE, answer with a number. If you find the question worthy, please FAQ+ it.
Some possible answers:
+3
-2
Thank you all for your attention.
I hope that's clear enough.
It's not, at least not to me.
What exactly is the question?
Prehensile Hair (Su): "The witch can instantly cause her hair (or even her eyebrows) to grow up to 10 feet long or to shrink to its normal length, and can manipulate her hair as if it were a limb with a Strength score equal to her Intelligence score. Her hair has reach 10 feet, and she can use it as a secondary natural attack that deals 1d3 points of damage (1d2 for a Small witch). Her hair can manipulate objects (but not weapons) as dexterously as a human hand. The hair cannot be sundered or attacked as a separate creature. Pieces cut from the witch's elongated hair shrink away to nothing. Using her hair does not harm the witch's head or neck, even if she lifts something heavy with it. The witch can manipulate her hair a number of minutes each day equal to her level; these minutes do not need to be consecutive, but must be spent in 1-minute increments. A typical male witch with this hex can also manipulate his beard, moustache, or eyebrows."
Assuming that your GM rules that a creature possessing "a limb with a Strength score" uses that strength score to calculate her attack bonus with that limb, then:
Attack Bonus: "Your attack bonus with a melee weapon is the following: Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + size modifier"
A level 1 witch usually has a Base Attack Bonus of +0. Table: Witch)
Using her intelligence to determine limb strength, used for that attack would be +3 (Table: Ability Modifiers and Bonus Spells (First two columns))
Humans are Medium creatures and have no bonuses or penalties due to their size. (Humans)
Attack Bonus +3 (0+3+0)
If your GM doesn't rule that a creature possessing "a limb with a Strength score" uses that strength score to calculate her attack bonus with that limb, then you would replace that +3 with the actual strength modifier of the witch.
I thought the question was if the specific statement in the description of the Prehensile Hair that it can be used as a secondary natural attack trumps the general statement in the Universal Monster Rules in the Bestiary (appendix 3: Glossary) that if a creature has only one natural attack, that attack becomes primary.
If the attack must remain secondary: -2
If the attack becomes primary: +3
I thought the question was if the specific statement in the description of the Prehensile Hair that it can be used as a secondary natural attack trumps the general statement in the Universal Monster Rules in the Bestiary (appendix 3: Glossary) that if a creature has only one natural attack, that attack becomes primary.
Ah, good point, I missed that part. So there's four possible attack bonuses, depending on interpretation.
I hope that's clear enough.It's not, at least not to me.
What exactly is the question?
When that witch tries to hit something with her hair, what does she add to the d20 roll vs the target AC?
When that witch tries to hit something with her hair, what does she add to the d20 roll vs the target AC?
Answer: That number will vary based on the GMs interpretation of the rule.
Not having any exp. with this kind of witch, can the hair be sundered? How would you treat a Medusa with the archetype?
It specifically states the status of the attack and where to get the bonus in the description. I can't see any room for misinterpretation here.
It is a secondary natural attack, and gets adjudicated as such. The bonus given to it's strength modifier is equivalent to the witch's Intelligence score. there's no actual strength score applied.
For Bwang. no, the description specifically states the hair cannot be sundered or attacked as a separate creature.
It is a secondary natural attack, and gets adjudicated as such.
Are you saying that the rules for prehensile hair is stating a specific rule that the hair is always secondary, no matter what?
Or would it function like every other secondary natural attack when a creature has only one natural attack and work at full BAB and 1.5xStr as detailed in the natural attack rules?
The bonus given to it's strength modifier is equivalent to the witch's Intelligence score.
That would mean that a witch with an intelligence score of 16 grants a +16 bonus to the strength modifier of the hair.
Even assuming you got those words wrong (bonus vs score) and mean the hair has a Strength score equal to her Intelligence score, that still doesn't determine if the attacks are made using that value.
"Her hair has reach 10 feet, and she can use it as a secondary natural attack that deals 1d3 points of damage (1d2 for a Small witch)."
"She" is the witch, and she's using the hair as a secondary natural attack. When making an attack, you use the strength modifier of the creature. Hence it must be determined if the intent was for the witch to use the Strength score of the hair when determining the attack bonus of the witch when using the hair as a weapon.
I hope that clears up the room for interpretation.
My answers:
+3 when attacking only with the hair, -2 when attacking with the hair alongside manufactured weapons or other natural weapons.
