When an anklyosaraus is reincarnated as a human, does it want to use its butt as an unarmed attack?


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Because retain old abilities but gain new stats. I'm confused.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

dinosaurs don't have souls. so you can't reincarnate them.

Problem solved!


First, I want to point out that reincarnation should not cause a dinosaur to come back as a humanoid. See the following line of text.

Pathfinder PRD - Reincarnate Spell wrote:
For a humanoid creature, the new incarnation is determined using the table below. For nonhumanoid creatures, a similar table of creatures of the same type should be created.

That said, if a anklyosaraus came back as another dinosaur, he would likely try once to use his butt to attack, but quickly realize that it doesn't work, lol. Dinosaurs obviously aren't as intelligent as humanoids, but they would quickly figure out that they did what they always used to do, and it didn't work.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
MechE_ wrote:

First, I want to point out that reincarnation should not cause a dinosaur to come back as a humanoid. See the following line of text.

Pathfinder PRD - Reincarnate Spell wrote:
For a humanoid creature, the new incarnation is determined using the table below. For nonhumanoid creatures, a similar table of creatures of the same type should be created.
That said, if a anklyosaraus came back as another dinosaur, he would likely try once to use his butt to attack, but quickly realize that it doesn't work, lol. Dinosaurs obviously aren't as intelligent as humanoids, but they would quickly figure out that they did what they always used to do, and it didn't work.

Actually it wouldn't try at all. Like most animals, dinosaurs don't have the problem of having to consciously decide what they do.. Their actions are strictly programmed by biology, not encumbered by sentience or conciousness.


LazarX wrote:
Like most animals, dinosaurs don't have the problem of having to consciously decide what they do.. Their actions are strictly programmed by biology, not encumbered by sentience or conciousness.

Well, in the real world, dinosaurs are not encumbered by sentience, consciousness, or life. So an ankylosaurus wouldn't do much of anything. But the the real world, other animals have to decide what they do all the time. Ever try to train a dog or watch a mother cat teach her kittens how to hunt? For that matter, have you ever seen a cat try to figure out how to open a can of kitty treats?

And in-game, dinosaurs are int 2, as bright as mammals and presumably just as trainable.

Liberty's Edge

Interesting question.
If we bypass the 'it couldn't happen', and just thought of it as a mind switch...instinct might well tell it to turn and swing its tail...which would look awful silly. Instinct does indeed reside within the brain...

I dunno.


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Anyone answering "No" is dead inside.

Liberty's Edge

Pupsocket wrote:
Anyone answering "No" is dead inside.

I don't follow.


From PRD:

'A reincarnated creature recalls the majority of its former life and form. It retains any class abilities, feats, or skill ranks it formerly possessed. Its class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, and hit points are unchanged.'

'The reincarnated creature gains all abilities associated with its new form, including forms of movement and speeds, natural armor, natural attacks, extraordinary abilities, and the like, but it doesn't automatically speak the language of the new form.'

So it would not retain the natural attack abilities of its previous form anyway (since they are not class abilities/feats/etc.)
It would get the natural attacks of its new form (none as a human.)

Being a low-Int creature though, it would probably be quite confused at being a new race...


Pupsocket wrote:
Anyone answering "No" is dead inside.

APPLAUSE!!!!

Contributor

If we take reincarnate for the phrase, "Most of its memories remain in tact," then we can guess that some memories might not survive the transfer. Therefore, if you really wanted to, you could argue that instinct isn't really a memory, and therefore didn't survive the transfer.

Instead, because the dino didn't have any real intelligent thoughts or memories and because its Intelligence doesn't change, its quite likely that the dino would quickly become almost neanderthal in its mentality; following the most basic and animal of human / elf / dwarf / whatever instincts.


The answer to the OP is only when they are in the clubs on weekends.

Scarab Sages

The child in me says "Yes, a thousand times yes". But as an adult I would have to say that it depends on how long he has had his new body. If he just woke up and he feels threatened, he might. If its been human for a few days, i doubt it.


Sure it would, until it learned it didn't have that appendage anymore.. at which point it would just be confused. The two forms are different enough (and the creature itself dumb enough) that I would imagine it extremely difficult for it to survive long in the new form.

It may gain the natural attacks of a human but between the crappy die, the AOO it now provokes, and the drastic change to str and such its not exactly gonna be effective in combat.

You essentially have an animal mind trapped in a human body. I would probably consider that cruel and unusual punishment.

-S

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