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Samurai are awesome and should be played more. Resolve and challenge are amazing; Orders are fun, and your mount is awesome but also not essential to have.
Amen to that. Session before last I accidentally one-shotted a minor BBEG. Felt kind of bad about that.
For our group, bards and paladins.
Cavaliers are pretty excellent for melee with moar.
Samurai are awesome and should be played more. Resolve and challenge are amazing; Orders are fun, and your mount is awesome but also not essential to have.Amen to that. Session before last I accidentally one-shotted a minor BBEG. Felt kind of bad about that.
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I remember one game I ran, a samurai of a decent nice level was hiding in a tunnel ready to ambush. He jumps out, banzai! A pity he was detected and lost initiative. Ninja had worked out he was there and with a really nice crit, killed him in one hit.
Warriors of Asia Clash
Ninja 1
Samurai 0
The last cavalier I ran though, his ac was too high and he was too safe. The Drow were no challenge, and cowards to boot; it offended his warrior spirit.
I'm curious ... what is the least played class(s) in Pathfinder? Let me specify, published classes (not including 3rd party).
Druid, because I run dungeon crawls a lot, and that means unnatural settings, NOT urban areas necessarily. Ranger is a close second. When half your levels consist of aspects you can't really get much use out of, and even the monsters don't have common races so there goes favored enemy, nobody wants to play them.
I don't allow Monk, Ninja, Samurai because they are too Eastern, Gunslinger and Alchemist because they are too 1800's, and Summoner because it's too broken.
For our group, bards and paladins.
Cavaliers are pretty excellent for melee with moar.
Whoof, Paladins do that and so much better, imho! Besides, I like them because they create a lot of roleplaying situations inherent in being LG.
classes we never see
Cavalier; unless it is a hostile NPC
Samurai: unless it is a hostile NPC
Gunslinger; often banned for setting reasons
Summoner: nobody wants to deal with the complexity
Paladin; nobody wants to be lawful good
Antipaladin; Weekly William rarely allows Evil PCs
Alchemist; usually a hostile NPC
Classes we had 1 of in 3-4 years
Inquisitor; a japanese schoolgirl who worshipped zon-kuthon and played akin to Gogo Yubari from Kill Bill with a hint of Vladimir Tepes.
Bard; an Ulfen Runt
Monk; an onispawn slave
Ranger; a dwarven archer
Ninja; an italian gothloli fetchling countess with Anemia and Weeaboo tendencies
Druid; we had a jungle dwelling dwarf with a large jaguar
Classes we had 2-5 of in the last 3-4 years
Oracle, we had a nagaji, a suli, and an angelkin, all martial and all with polearms
witch; we had a halfling cook and an elven tequilla addict from the jungle
wizard, we had a human transmuter with 3.5 material, an elf evoker, and a tiefling conjurer
sorcerer, we had a socially akward italian human female with heterochromia, a slutty gnome with rainbow hair, and a shy romanian male who was worried about upsetting his wife, we also had a chinese flavored undine who became a dragon disciple
barbarian; we have 2 humans, both hulking brutes with katana and samurai armor
rogue; we had 2 arachnophobiac drow males who became duelists
classes that get forced
cleric, we had 2 humans, a nervous gypsy woman and a japanese temple scribe, 2 perky aasimaars, and an annoying gnome
classes we see a lot of
fighter; we had 5 dwarven males, 2 humans, and an undine who went dragon disciple
Oh, forgot to add that we never see Cavaliers, despite player interest, because you'd have to be Medium size to get decent damage, and Large mounts don't do well with limited real estate available IMC.
i have shown interest in a summoner who rides a wyvern themed eidolon and wields a lance. only because cavaliers can't otherwise mount wyverns.
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There really need to be some archetypes for Cavalier and Samurai that lose the mount for something different. The only Cavaliers (with one exception, in Kingmaker) my party have seen have chosen to lose the mount with the Super Genius Archetypes.
I have never actually been in a game where someone played a wizard.
Cavalier, witch, oracle haven't been played in my group, summoner, alchemist and inquisitor will probably be never played again.
Personally I do not mind the oracle and cavalier, the witch and alchemist are cool as well but have some issues, inquisitor and summoner were not for our group of players. I am guessing it is not a coincidence that they are newly designed classes, it is mostly the mechanics that turn us off not the concept that they represent. Of all the core classes ranger sees the least use and wizard (more often than not multi-classed) the most.
EDIT: Samurai and ninja as such haven't been played either, we did modify the rogue though.
My money would also be on Samurai, with Cavalier a close second.
Nobody around my table likes to play clerics. Still, nobody has played a monk (even when I've run eastern games), nor has anyone played a gunslinger (doesn't really fit well into most campaigns).
Alternatively, fighter, rogue, and sorcerer are the most commonly played classes.
Gunslinger works just fine in an eastern campaign, as do alchemist. being they were several centuries ahead of the west in tech. and still are.
While I wouldn't call Lumiere Dawnbringer's post racist, it's certainly inaccurate. That, of course, has nothing to do with the point of this thread, however.
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...they came up with gunpowder, paper money and toilet paper (among other things) in the East WAY before the West ever learned to pull off such things, you know. If anything, there is accuracy in it but no racism.
She also claimed that eastern countries are centuries ahead of western countries in regards to technological advancement (currently). This is simply untrue.
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I'd place that up to debate, considering Japan's leaps in robotics and other fields.
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With the way Tech is, saying centuries ahead is ridiculous....The east would be teleporting dinosaur-human hybrids onto distant planets to mine the resources for themselves if they were centuries ahead.
That said they seem to be leading the world currently by a fair amount tech-wise. I see deficiencies in other areas but don't wish to go into politics and social matters.
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I'm going to guess Antipaladin. They require the worst alignment you can select for group cohesion, they have a neglected spell list, and they don't fill a niche equivalent to the Paladin.
I could see fitting in an Antipaladin into a nomral group if it wasn't for Smite Good; if you aren't in an all evil party, when is that ever going to be useful?
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I remember one game I ran, a samurai of a decent nice level was hiding in a tunnel ready to ambush. He jumps out, banzai! A pity he was detected and lost initiative. Ninja had worked out he was there and with a really nice crit, killed him in one hit.
Warriors of Asia Clash
Ninja 1
Samurai 0The last cavalier I ran though, his ac was too high and he was too safe. The Drow were no challenge, and cowards to boot; it offended his warrior spirit.
Good thing samurai can negate crits as a class ability with greater resolve. It is unfortunate that I didn't have it before getting crit by a large creature with a x4 weapon.
I've had fun with my str focused ninja too. He had ridiculous AC due to UMD with wands and crane style.
Cavalier.
1) Its new.
2) Complex/new/confusing mechanisms
3) Mount based: doesn't fit in the dungeon.
4) Niche is already partially filled by fighters, paladins, and some ranger builds.
Cavalier.
1) Its new.
2) Complex/new/confusing mechanisms
3) Mount based: doesn't fit in the dungeon.
4) Niche is already partially filled by fighters, paladins, and some ranger builds.
All true, but I still like it because it isn't yet another spell casting class, too many of those nowadays..
Any of us will provide a small sample size.
All of us will do better.
None of us is as clueless as all of us!
Cavalier, witch, oracle haven't been played in my group, summoner, alchemist and inquisitor will probably be never played again.
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And among the PFS player community in my local area, I find all of the above to be quite abundant.
OP, you're not going to get more than local anecdotal accounts. And the total sum of people who post on these messageboards, much less the minor fraction who even bother with this thread, are themselves only a slim fraction of players in total. So you're not going to get an authoritative answer of any use.
Is there a reason for your question? Are you trying to be different, unique, or to go with the pack? The uniqueness of a player character is not in the classes.... it's in the play.
In part the reason why we haven't played them all is because we play 3.5 and pathfinder alternating depending on the GM really, also our campaigns tend to be lengthy so we do not get to switch around characters often.
As a GM I tend to disagree with the way the newer classes are balanced/handled, though admittedly that does not seem a concern of a great many people playing PF.
Unless you count Samurai, I have never seen a Cavalier. If you do, I've seen it all.
Least played here would probably be Inquisitor. Only seen two ever (one once, the other only because of a rebuild required). One Samurai (seen more often), a couple other Cavaliers, a couple Ninjas, and two Gunslingers. Only 2-3 Summoners as well.
Hmm. First off, I'm ignoring antipaladin as it's not a PC class at any table I'll ever run, and not what Paizo considers part of the core 20.
Across three games/campaigns:
I've seen: alchemist, clericX3, druid, fighter, gunslinger, monkX2, ninja, rangerX3, rogue, sorcererX2, wizard
I haven't seen: bard, cavalier, inquisitor, magus, oracle, paladin, samurai, summoner, witch
Now, I would virtually never allow a paladin at my table (I think very few people can play the class correctly without either munckining the class or just imploding the table), and I'd look very, very askance at someone who wanted to play a summoner, so those don't necessarily count.
Ask me again in 2-3 months when our current campaign finishes and the next one starts up :)
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WHOA D20pfsrd.com pumping the hardline knowledge into our brain space! I assume that that is strictly how many times the pages have been requested? Thank you!
Pageviews only. No telling how many people loaded the page, said "holy crap this class SUCKS" and never came back lol
Gunslinger works just fine in an eastern campaign, as do alchemist. being they were several centuries ahead of the west in tech. and still are.
Wrong. Very wrong. It's the exact opposite, and alchemist is actually an exclusively Western concept. Chinese tech sucks rocks. Japanese tech is actually Western in origin, and they know it.
Ohmigosh, so many people blindingly oblivious to the FACT that Fighters and Monks are unplayable! ;-) /sarcasm
I can't stand Monks for thematic reasons (and a few mechanical) but I know for certain Fighters are playable and even desirable. Had a player ask me if he should take a Ranger or Fighter. After a close look at the Ranger, I told him that he should think of the Ranger as defensive and skills based, with the Fighter as being much more offensive. He took a Fighter, archer archetype.
I've played at least 50 PFS games and a home game. That's around 300 characters.
I have not seen a single PC of the following classes:
- Samurai
- Cavalier
I have seen only a few of the following:
- Druid
- Inquisitor
- Summoner
Classes like gunslinger, ninja, and clerics have actually been quite common. And people LOVE rogues.
Whenever someone plays a pregen, they always want to play a rogue or ninja.
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While I wouldn't call Lumiere Dawnbringer's post racist, it's certainly inaccurate. That, of course, has nothing to do with the point of this thread, however.
there is some accuracy, only a lot of hyperbole
...they came up with gunpowder, paper money and toilet paper (among other things) in the East WAY before the West ever learned to pull off such things, you know. If anything, there is accuracy in it but no racism.
true. i consider the alchemist and gunslinger, oriental classes more than wild west or victorian. and i would say the psionic classes are either oriental or middle eastern depending on how you interpret bhuddism and countries like Nepal.
She also claimed that eastern countries are centuries ahead of western countries in regards to technological advancement (currently). This is simply untrue.
not anymore, but for a while, they were. by the time we built early matchlocks and flint locks, the chinese had a form of repeater rifle. such a thing couldn't be found on the western hemisphere for multiple centuries
Wow. Casual racism much? You do realize that the vast majority of English speakers on the Internet are from the U.S., Canada, the E.U., South Africa, Australia, or New Zealand? All of which are "the west."
New Zealand and Australia are on the eastern hemisphere according to my atlas. but i apologize if i offended you. the orient invented gunpowder, toilet paper, paper money, firearms, and a variety of things that people give credit to the industrial revolution for.
With the way Tech is, saying centuries ahead is ridiculous....The east would be teleporting dinosaur-human hybrids onto distant planets to mine the resources for themselves if they were centuries ahead.
That said they seem to be leading the world currently by a fair amount tech-wise. I see deficiencies in other areas but don't wish to go into politics and social matters.
the eastern hemisphere, is a great deal more advanced than it's western counterpart, centuries might be hyperbole today, but as an example, the US imports a lot of japanese technology. from electronics for entertainment to fuel efficient vehicles for commutes.
