Greater Whip Mastery & Grapple & Incorporeal Ghost Touch Weapons

[The Todd]

2 Questions on a PFS character I have been playing. He is a dual weapon ranger working up the whip mastery tree.

1) With Greater Whip Mastery I can grapple with my whips. If I have an enemy grappled with a whip, what can I do with the other whip? Can I use it to make attacks on other creatures or even the grappled creature? Can I used it to grapple again the grappled creature. Would this or how would this change if I picked up Greater Grapple?

I'm 5th Lev and I'm trying to decide what to decide between a few options and ultimately see if grapple would be worth while or fun to play.

2) Given the ability to grapple with a whip, would a Ghost Touch Whip be now able to grapple incorporeal? It makes sense logically to me because of the Ghost Touch but I'm not sure how the rules wouild play into effect on this.

Thank you for your time.

[Daxthemonk]

I am a big fan of the ghost touch net... bc they are shut down all together it is kinda sad but alot of fun

So yes you could grapple it but it is not normally a good idea since the penalties are not that big a deal for touch attacks and things that are already hard to hit

[Jeon]

I don't see anything that explicitly says you can grapple a creature that is incorporeal. However, I would definitely agree that it makes complete sense that if you can damage an incorporeal creature with a ghost touch weapon that you should also be able to grapple them.

As for grappling a creature that is already grappled- I don't think it does anything to have a condition twice. You are grappled or your are not. I would just attack the grappled creature with your whip if you have the whip mastery feat.

ghost touch weapon property:

Ghost Touch: A ghost touch weapon deals damage normally against incorporeal creatures, regardless of its bonus. An incorporeal creature's 50% reduction in damage from corporeal sources does not apply to attacks made against it with ghost touch weapons. The weapon can be picked up and moved by an incorporeal creature at any time. A manifesting ghost can wield the weapon against corporeal foes. Essentially, a ghost touch weapon counts as both corporeal or incorporeal.

incorporeal:

Incorporeal: Creatures with the incorporeal condition do not have a physical body. Incorporeal creatures are immune to all nonmagical attack forms. Incorporeal creatures take half damage (50%) from magic weapons, spells, spell-like effects, and supernatural effects. Incorporeal creatures take full damage from other incorporeal creatures and effects, as well as all force effects.