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Rafael The Silent wrote:
How do you feel about gunsliger?

Yeah, gunslinger is solid. There's an area nearby that I'm tweaking slightly to have more of a Western meets Mos Eisley feel as a potential option for player backgrounds.

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I'm looking to bring in a Celestial Commander (archetype from Rite Publishing). I'm sorting out the background as I type this. Well, I'm taking a break from sorting out the background to type this. He'll be mostly battlefield control.

I'm thinking of making him a Lawbringer Aasimar, though the stats don't line up. It seems to fit the Celestial Commander motif. I'm going to reread the other Aasimar varieties. Maybe something else in Blood of Angels will pique my interest.


are we still looking for mor less common races? as opposed to the standard.

My ideas mostle use the standard core races but if we are opting for more of the less common than that would be fun as well.

Just helpful before character creating


Like I said, I am doing a Human Nirmathas Ranger...let me know if that will not work with your alternative race ideas.


twilsemail wrote:

I'm looking to bring in a Celestial Commander (archetype from Rite Publishing). I'm sorting out the background as I type this. Well, I'm taking a break from sorting out the background to type this. He'll be mostly battlefield control.

I'm thinking of making him a Lawbringer Aasimar, though the stats don't line up. It seems to fit the Celestial Commander motif. I'm going to reread the other Aasimar varieties. Maybe something else in Blood of Angels will pique my interest.

Huh. I'm pretty interested in seeing how a Lawbringer Aasimar Celestial Commander would come out, and what would bring him to such a messy region.

And yeah we talked about that Summoner Archetype already - it looks totally fine to me.

Edward Sobel wrote:

are we still looking for mor less common races? as opposed to the standard.

My ideas mostle use the standard core races but if we are opting for more of the less common than that would be fun as well.

Just helpful before character creating

Oh you can definitely use core races if you want to. This goes for you, too, Filios.

It's not like my setting will not have Dwarves and Elves and Halflings. They just aren't my favourites so I want to give you guys more options.

Dwarves do feature into the story. Elves, Half-Orcs, and Halflings might be a bit more scarce, but there will still be plenty around to justify your character's existence, if that's what you want to go with. And Humans are definitely the majority, as usual.

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YoricksRequiem wrote:

Huh. I'm pretty interested in seeing how a Lawbringer Aasimar Celestial Commander would come out, and what would bring him to such a messy region.

And yeah we talked about that Summoner Archetype already - it looks totally fine to me.

I may actually depart from that idea a bit. In reading through Faiths of Purity, I discovered Ragathiel. He really makes it appealing to play this PC as some type of Tiefling seeking redemption. There may be another race out there that has the same kind of appeal, but tiefling seems like the go-to for redemption seekers.

I love the small things you find when fleshing out a PC.

Lawbringer could still work, but that'd probably require some kind of need for redemption from his parents side of things, as opposed to his Outsider ancestor.


twilsemail wrote:

I may actually depart from that idea a bit. In reading through Faiths of Purity, I discovered Ragathiel. He really makes it appealing to play this PC as some type of Tiefling seeking redemption. There may be another race out there that has the same kind of appeal, but tiefling seems like the go-to for redemption seekers.

I love the small things you find when fleshing out a PC.

Lawbringer could still work, but that'd probably require some kind of need for redemption from his parents side of things, as opposed to his Outsider ancestor.

I'm a huge fan of the Tiefling Seeking Redemption thing. I'm playing one as a Magus Kensai in another game now that's pretty heavily inspired by Raziel from Soul Reaver.


How would you feel about a Dhampir Paladin?

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Alright, so I'm on the fence here:

Lawbringer:
Born in Cheliax. "Such a beautiful baby" His parents winced every time they heard that. he was always in danger of discovery. There were rumors of Celestial blood on his father's side and it had surfaced in their son. His father did what he thought best. He scarred his son. The child was burned, terribly. The wounds were tended and healed, but the scars remained.

Shackleborn:
Born to a servant of the Living God and one of his torturers. This child eventually discovered the truth about the Living God and fled. Looking back at what he’d done he discovered guilt and soon after faith. Along with his other gear, he carries a scourge for auto-flagellation.


Arknight wrote:
How would you feel about a Dhampir Paladin?

I wouldn't be necessarily against it, but there are a few things worth noting:

- Negative Energy Affinity is going to make you more difficult to keep alive than most, as you'd likely be the only one, given what I've seen from others post so far.
- Light sensitivity is probably going to hurt you quite frequently.

As with every kind of odd combination, it's all about having an interesting backstory.

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twilsemail wrote:
Alright, so I'm on the fence here:

Both are solid starts. I'd be curious to see how Lawbringer became such after having such a horrible pain inflicted on him. Does he go around fighting prejudice and injustice? The Shackleborn I'm less sure of but that's from my own ignorance. What's the truth that would make him flee and feel guilt?

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Razmir arrived in his kingdom some 50 years ago and claimed he was a god. He was lying and, at this point, is dying of old age. Learning your god is a dying old man is a pretty world-shattering discovery.

Re: Lawbringer: As a servant of the equivalant of the Archangel of Revenge, he'd be all about pursuing evil. His pain was all due to evil's influence upon the world. He's willing to fight it wherever it is building upon the world. That's what's drawn him to face the Red Hand.

Incidentally, I keep picturing the art from "sins of science" when I see "red hand." We're not facing that, right?


I was looking at either a kobold alchemist or a gnome experimental gunsmith


twilsemail wrote:

Razmir arrived in his kingdom some 50 years ago and claimed he was a god. He was lying and, at this point, is dying of old age. Learning your god is a dying old man is a pretty world-shattering discovery.

Re: Lawbringer: As a servant of the equivalant of the Archangel of Revenge, he'd be all about pursuing evil. His pain was all due to evil's influence upon the world. He's willing to fight it wherever it is building upon the world. That's what's drawn him to face the Red Hand.

Incidentally, I keep picturing the art from "sins of science" when I see "red hand." We're not facing that, right?

Oh ho!

No, you're not facing the Sins of Science creatures, haha. The Lawbringer sounds interesting. It's worth noting that at the beginning of the adventure, you have no knowledge of The Red Hand. Now with that said, there is definitely enough evil in the area for you to be seeking out already.

The Shackleborn would have a very... interesting time, given his previous relationship with false gods. That's all I'll say about that.

Edward Sobel wrote:
I was looking at either a kobold alchemist or a gnome experimental gunsmith

Either of those would be totally cool.


YoricksRequiem wrote:
Arknight wrote:
How would you feel about a Dhampir Paladin?

I wouldn't be necessarily against it, but there are a few things worth noting:

- Negative Energy Affinity is going to make you more difficult to keep alive than most, as you'd likely be the only one, given what I've seen from others post so far.
- Light sensitivity is probably going to hurt you quite frequently.

As with every kind of odd combination, it's all about having an interesting backstory.

Well, I was planning on the Dayborn Alternate Racial Trait, and if you'd allow the Blood of the Night Companion, I'd take the feat that would at least allow for at least receiving half of the healing from positive energy.....

Which would be on interesting thing, he can channel positive energy to heal others, but gains little if any benefit from it himself....


Arknight wrote:

Well, I was planning on the Dayborn Alternate Racial Trait, and if you'd allow the Blood of the Night Companion, I'd take the feat that would at least allow for at least receiving half of the healing from positive energy.....

Which would be on interesting thing, he can channel positive energy to heal others, but gains little if any benefit from it himself....

Let me check those things out tonight, because I'm not really familiar with them, but I definitely like that character premise.

Silver Crusade

Dotting for My Ausk Blunttusk Half-Orc Barbarian Savior-King Messiah complex character complex :D


@YoricksRequiem -- I almost have her ready to go... I have a query, may I message you a backstory before recruitment?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like we have a lot of martial characters in the mix right now? Is that correct? I'd like to gear my character to fill something that isn't already covered. I see suggested so far: A ranger, a Barabarian, a Paladin, and a Celestial Commander (Which sounds like some kind of Paladin).


I think I will go gnome experimental gunsmith plus maybe multi into something to compliment that.


Awakeninfinity wrote:
@YoricksRequiem -- I almost have her ready to go... I have a query, may I message you a backstory before recruitment?

Certainly!

DetectiveKatana wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like we have a lot of martial characters in the mix right now? Is that correct? I'd like to gear my character to fill something that isn't already covered. I see suggested so far: A ranger, a Barabarian, a Paladin, and a Celestial Commander (Which sounds like some kind of Paladin).

Yeah it does seem to be pretty martial-heavy so far. The Celestial Commander is actually a Summoner Archetype. There's also a Gunslinger and/or Alchemist interested, an Inquisitor, Zen Archer, and a Cleric and Sorcerer. There are also people who dotted it without saying what they'd play. But so far most spellcasting classes are getting less attention. For instance I haven't seen an Oracle, Wizard, or Witch at all.

Thinking of filling a party role is great, but make sure that you end up with a character that you'd like to play. If you do go spellcaster, there are certainly a number of options available.


I may do oracle or Cloistered Cleric. I'm sort of going for the scholar archetype. I may take a multiclass level for flavor's sake. I'm trying to step away from my past days of super-optimization (Although in my defense, I used to play with a DM who made that necessary).

If we want our character to have part of their background that might not need to be public knowledge, should we PM you with those?


I have a couple of aliases being unused right now also they are all from games that died or did not get selected for. so I have lots of options.

at least two of them are spellcasters.


DetectiveKatana wrote:
I may do oracle or Cloistered Cleric. I'm sort of going for the scholar archetype. I may take a multiclass level for flavor's sake. I'm trying to step away from my past days of super-optimization (Although in my defense, I used to play with a DM who made that necessary).

Yeah, you definitely don't have to worry about super-optimisation with me. Going with a scholar is certainly a cool thing. There's lots of reasons to be in the area (as you'll see when I finish up the brief history stuff when I post the actual recruitment).

DetectiveKatana wrote:
If we want our character to have part of their background that might not need to be public knowledge, should we PM you with those?

I would hope that the players will understand the difference between Player Knowledge and Character Knowledge, but if you feel more comfortable sending it to me directly, yeah, that would be absolutely fine.

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What YR said, Celestial Commander is an Eidolon-less summoner. So way less from line than most summoners.

If anyone out there wants to share a background with either of the ideas I've put forward, it'd make my choosing between them much easier. Any takers?


That's fair. So I was considering making a character who was an ex-mercenary, maybe some sort of child soldier, before finally getting out of that bloody business. Now he's a dedicated academic, maybe a local representative of an academy or church.

I guess he's rather conceptually similar to...

Spoilers for Buffy the Vampire Slayer:
Giles from Buffy. Not really a spoiler at this point but it's not revealed until the second season so... yeah. To clarify, he wasn't a child soldier, but he WAS a criminal who studied the black arts before becoming a librarian and watcher.

Didn't actually come up with the idea with that in mind, but it's very fitting.


I don't know Buffy, but I can totally dig it.


Not sure what race to use though. I'm inclined to go human, but I'm not sure. Is there a race that tends to have child conscript armies in Golarion?

Silver Crusade

YoricksRequiem wrote:


DetectiveKatana wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like we have a lot of martial characters in the mix right now? Is that correct? I'd like to gear my character to fill something that isn't already covered. I see suggested so far: A ranger, a Barabarian, a Paladin, and a Celestial Commander (Which sounds like some kind of Paladin).

Yeah it does seem to be pretty martial-heavy so far. The Celestial Commander is actually a Summoner Archetype. There's also a Gunslinger and/or Alchemist interested, an Inquisitor, Zen Archer, and a Cleric and Sorcerer. There are also people who dotted it without saying what they'd play. But so far most spellcasting classes are getting less attention. For instance I haven't seen an Oracle, Wizard, or Witch at all.

Thinking of filling a party role is great, but make sure that you end up with a character that you'd like to play. If you do go spellcaster, there are certainly a number of options available.

I neglected to mention that my Barbarian concept is a Rage Prophet (hence the Messiah complex :D

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@DK, it's been 15 years since the reveal. I think that's outside the statute of limitations for spoilers. :D

I could see that happening a couple of places. The foremost in my mind being Cheliax and their treatment of Tieflings. Though you'd have to have escaped as opposed to earning your freedom.

I could also see that happening in Mendev near the Worldwound.

I'm not intimately familiar with all of Golarion, but those are at least places to start. Cheliax has it's own supporting setting book, as well.


DK - I wouldn't worry much over making it canon, just so long as it makes sense and is interesting. You could tell me that there's an eternal war going on with the northern Giants and the Panserbjørn and I'd say "Okay, awesome, what does it mean for your character?"

While this is set in Golarion, I'm taking some pretty wide liberties in the interest of hopefully making it fun. It's going to be contained to the areas of Varisia, Lastwall, Nirmathas, Nidal, and Molthune. We're not stepping outside of those regions, so you feel free to change what's going on in Brevoy or Andoran or Geb or whereever if it makes your character more interesting.


DetectiveKatana wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like we have a lot of martial characters in the mix right now? Is that correct? I'd like to gear my character to fill something that isn't already covered. I see suggested so far: A ranger, a Barabarian, a Paladin, and a Celestial Commander (Which sounds like some kind of Paladin).

I will be presenting a Male Human Nirmathas Ranger for consideration...stealth-based forest skirmisher.


Are you going to post a new recruitment thread or just continue on this thread when you are ready?


Tie My Shöelace wrote:
Are you going to post a new recruitment thread or just continue on this thread when you are ready?

I'll post a new one and throw a link in this one. I don't want to make everyone have to read through so many posts of me babbling to find the actual recruitment information.

The recruitment thread will definitely be up this week, and I'll leave it up for probably 7-10 days, largely to give myself a buffer to prepare whatever is left that I forget, haha.


Arknight wrote:

Well, I was planning on the Dayborn Alternate Racial Trait, and if you'd allow the Blood of the Night Companion, I'd take the feat that would at least allow for at least receiving half of the healing from positive energy.....

Which would be on interesting thing, he can channel positive energy to heal others, but gains little if any benefit from it himself....

Just wanted to let you know, Arknight, that I checked those things out and both are totally a-okay.


Cool. :)

My thoughts of the background on the character: Rescued from a band of hobgoblins as a youth,he was taken in by the cleric of Sarenrae who lead the expedition. Raised in the church, his anger and pain in not knowing his mother or father focused him toward the martial side of the church. As he journeyed on a pilgrimage, he received visions of Sarenrae and saw a clear path ahead of him. Filled with her feelings of redemption, he became a true warrior of the Holy Light and began a quest to his destiny.

He's returning to the area for the first time since he left.

Thoughts?


I, Filios, present Conner Hawthorne, Nirmathi Irregular, for your consideration. Of course, I will resubmit on formal Recruitment Thread with history and background when it opens.


Arknight wrote:

My thoughts of the background on the character: Rescued from a band of hobgoblins as a youth,he was taken in by the cleric of Sarenrae who lead the expedition. Raised in the church, his anger and pain in not knowing his mother or father focused him toward the martial side of the church. As he journeyed on a pilgrimage, he received visions of Sarenrae and saw a clear path ahead of him. Filled with her feelings of redemption, he became a true warrior of the Holy Light and began a quest to his destiny.

He's returning to the area for the first time since he left.

Thoughts?

Yes, I like this a lot. At first I thought it was a little too Batman, but the visions from his God will add an interesting layer to it. I've got a lot of things running through my mind about possible ways to tie in the expedition and the god, which is always a good sign. Yes, I like this quite a bit.

Conner Hawthorne wrote:
I, Filios, present Conner Hawthorne, Nirmathi Irregular, for your consideration. Of course, I will resubmit on formal Recruitment Thread with history and background when it opens.

Yeah the crunch looks fine, but really, I'm far more interested in the background. I'd especially like to see a reason for you to have a favoured enemy as the Goblinoids. There are absolutely goblins in the area, but they certainly aren't the only threats, so why them?


@GM YR: I was thinking that if there was an impending invasion of an Hobgoblin army for the campaign, then it would not be too much of a stretch to have been encountering these foes for quite some time in and around the forests of Nirmathas where I patrol as the enemy army developed itself. However, if you plan on placing the setting elsewhere, besides Nirmathas, then I would have to change the build. In that case, I would more likely than not return to a standard Ranger with two favored enemies at Level 5, the first being Human or Orc (+4)and the second being Goblinoid (+2). Nirmathas has quite a history of dealing with the Orcs from the North, and the Goblinoid favored enemy would have only come later (last level) in his experience as the threatening army developed its presence. I am comfortable either way. When selecting favored terrain and favored enemies, as a Ranger starting at an adavanced level, I would always request that the GM make a recommendation to assist in the build. I welcome your adivce. Thanks

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I'm going to continue mulling over my possibilities until the recruitment thread opens. THen I'll have to make up my mind. It's certainly between the Aasimar and the Tiefling, but they're both so appealing...


Zen monks! Moar of them!


Conner Hawthorne wrote:
@GM YR: I was thinking that if there was an impending invasion of an Hobgoblin army for the campaign, then it would not be too much of a stretch to have been encountering these foes for quite some time in and around the forests of Nirmathas where I patrol as the enemy army developed itself. However, if you plan on placing the setting elsewhere, besides Nirmathas, then I would have to change the build. In that case, I would more likely than not return to a standard Ranger with two favored enemies at Level 5, the first being Human or Orc (+4)and the second being Goblinoid (+2). Nirmathas has quite a history of dealing with the Orcs from the North, and the Goblinoid favored enemy would have only come later (last level) in his experience as the threatening army developed its presence. I am comfortable either way. When selecting favored terrain and favored enemies, as a Ranger starting at an adavanced level, I would always request that the GM make a recommendation to assist in the build. I welcome your adivce. Thanks

There has definitely always been a problem with Goblins, though generally speaking less in the forests and more in the mountains. I think it would probably be better suited as a +2, as they've also been rather quiet for the last few years. Still, they definitely have been known to raid villages, and attack caravans, so it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility that you would have faced them.

What I'm looking for is with the background is information on what happened. Where is your character from? He patrols in and around the forests: Is he hired by someone, or a government, or does he do it for himself? Is favored enemy against goblins just because he's fought them a lot, or does he have a reason to actually hate them? The crunch is solid, really, I'm just saying that I want the fluff to support it.

twilsemail wrote:
I'm going to continue mulling over my possibilities until the recruitment thread opens. THen I'll have to make up my mind. It's certainly between the Aasimar and the Tiefling, but they're both so appealing...

Yeah, I'm no real help on that front because I like both of them.

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No worries, boss. If I see a concept I'd like tied to, I'll ping the player. If someone pings me on one of the two, I'll work with them to flesh out some history between us. Otherwise, I'll choose when the time is right.


@GM YR: No problems there...I will get to work on the slight build adjustment to a more traditional Ranger and I will complete a comprehensive background and history. I appreciate the input. Thanks again.

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Having rolled my random racial features, I got the following:

28, 66, 72, 86, 99 (56, 90)

Aasimar
28 - Perfectly Symmetrical Face
56 - Ashen Skin
66 - Voice Echoes Dramatically
72 - Feathered Wings
86 - Multicolored Tears
90 - Random Choral Sounds follow you

Tiefling
28 - Missing Nose
56 - Slimy Skin
66 - Blunt Teeth
72 - Antennae
86 - Infested
90 - No shadow

I think that seals it and I’m going with an Aasimar. Several of those features lend themselves to acid in the face and parental scarring.


@Conner: Looking forward to seeing it. :)

@twilsemail: Christ, your Aasimar is going to be quite the blend of beautiful and horrifying. I approve of this.

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It's going to be awesome when someone realizes all of his acid scars are symmetrical.

I was going to say "I need to rewatch X-Men: The Last Stand" for some wing cutting inspiration... but no one deserves that kind of torture. Maybe I can just find that scene.

I think "slimy skin" is what killed the tiefling for me. It's so hard to tattoo a slug... Most of the rest of it was alright. Antennae piercings?

I'll have a history together by the time you have a recruiting thread together.


twilsemail wrote:

It's going to be awesome when someone realizes all of his acid scars are symmetrical.

sudden visions of Soul Eater

BTW I will be putting together a gnome experimental gunsmith. with her trusty grappling hook.

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Alright, presenting Arbiter Deimos.

The history is a bit rough still, but should be polished by the time the game opens.

If anyone has any interest in ties to a Chelish Aasimar that later served in a temple to Sarenrae and the Celestial Host, drop me a line.


Sounds good, Edward.

twilsemail wrote:

Alright, presenting Arbiter Deimos.

The history is a bit rough still, but should be polished by the time the game opens.

If anyone has any interest in ties to a Chelish Aasimar that later served in a temple to Sarenrae and the Celestial Host, drop me a line.

Arknight's character has ties to Sarenrae that might work, if he/she is interested.

I'll check over your background in a second. (and respond to your PM.) (And respond to the other handful of PMs I've gotten.)


YoricksRequiem wrote:


twilsemail wrote:

Alright, presenting Arbiter Deimos.

The history is a bit rough still, but should be polished by the time the game opens.

If anyone has any interest in ties to a Chelish Aasimar that later served in a temple to Sarenrae and the Celestial Host, drop me a line.

Arknight's character has ties to Sarenrae that might work, if he/she is interested.

As a matter of fact, I just sent Twils a PM about that very thing. :)

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