Are Halflings Offensive?


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Andrew R wrote:
Thats not all though. the idea that we encourage people to be so thin skinned is getting out of control. that we coddle and encourage weakness instead of strength and not letting others get to us. Yes intentional and unintentional prejudice should be looked at but it too must not go too silly

There's definitely something to be said about having a glass jaw, and there comes a point where over-sensitivity becomes its own kind of prejudice. It comes with it the danger of condescension, quotas, and preferential treatment and no one should be treated differently from anyone else. This is certainly the case when one group is put down, as per my initial proposal of excluding small races, where I think a lot of the negative feedback is came from. I see that error in trading comments with those who thoughtfully engaged in the topic.

As per the silliness, a lot of silly things have been said on this thread.


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Over-sensitivity becomes used as a rhetorical trick: I am offended, you shut up!

Seen it again and again.


Matthew Morris wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

@Mikaze: I'm thinking not of Hybrid Heritages. But normal Heritages.

I know a Girl who has a Green Tint to her skin.

checks hair

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@Matthew Morris: What do you mean Kayal? Guess I am missing something. Or I failed my Cunning(Memory) Test...

Sorry, in the ARG, it's the term fetchlings use for themselves. I find it a) cooler sounding, and b) less likely to be turned into feltching jokes. (google at own risk on that one.)

Oh I do agree that it is a better name. I just never read to deep into them... I typically play Humans simply for the feel of being a Human in another world.

Oddly, I have a Fighter with Eldritch Heritage(Orc) and when he took it he gradually started to change in appearance until he had green skin, small tusks, and some other minor changes.

Silver Crusade

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:
Mikaze wrote:
Azaelas Fayth wrote:

@Mikaze: I'm thinking not of Hybrid Heritages. But normal Heritages.

I know a Girl who has a Green Tint to her skin.

checks hair

?

@Matthew Morris: What do you mean Kayal? Guess I am missing something. Or I failed my Cunning(Memory) Test...

Sorry, in the ARG, it's the term fetchlings use for themselves. I find it a) cooler sounding, and b) less likely to be turned into feltching jokes. (google at own risk on that one.)

I've never had that problem with that race's name(I think they have a bigger risk of being mistaken for a race of private investigators that all look like a younger Chevy Chase by our group).

But that sure as hell is the reason why I've never dared use an Ethereal Filcher. :O

Spoiler:
GM: Your spell reveals an Ethereal Filcher standing in your midst!

Player 1 : Oh ew!

Player 2 : Dude.

Player 3 : *sheepishly* ...I dunno... What does it look like?

GM: shows picture

Players 1-3 : AAAAAAAHHHH!

I do like fetchlings having a "proper" name for themselves though. :)


Why? Everyone I know who has ever played a gnome or halfling has done so for the "stats," or for the chance to be like Tasselhoof Burrfoot or Frodo or Bilbo.


J. Christopher Harris wrote:

I don't think Dinklage was saying he finds all halflings, dwarves, etc, offensive. He's saying that most depictions are shallow. I tend to agree. Last time I played a fantasy dwarf in Pathfinder another player asked me if he'd be Scottish or Russian. I didn't have either in mind, but there you are, and he wasn't really wrong. They're not typically given a lot of range.

Here's something I'd love to see, just as an experiment: Dinklage auditioning for The Hobbit, for the role of Bard. It'd be interesting to see the arguments against it. He's supposed to be taller? So make him taller. You can certainly do it, and it's not like a huge budget concern:-)

I tend to play my dwarves a bit ... Hebrew, for lack of a better term. Old testament ish.

And with Dinklage its not just a matter of height. Fair or not. The body proportions are wrong.


Just started Season 2 of Game of Thrones. And kept picturing Dinklage as Conan.


In my campaign world the Talcani (the only race with the halfling subtype) came from another world, systematically dismantled feudalism, and control the dominate criminal organizations of the world (and no, not all of them are criminals). I'd probably NOT tell them that you think they are offensive.


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I think what Dinklage was talking about are the stereotypical roles that small people are usually handed.

There is a tendency for fantasy races to be flat characters with unidimensional personalities. What I don't like are the typical lazy fantasy worlds where you draw a map and throw the races at it like a Jackson Pollock painting. The dwarves go here. The dwarves are stout, dour, and like to mine things. The elves go here. The elves are beautiful, haughty, and wise. Halflings like to steal things, but prefer their comfy agrarian holes-in-the-ground with fine food .

But humans. Humans have many different cultures, languages, countries, personalities. They are treated as individuals.

I usually play halflings, but roleplay all my characters as unique individuals--so much so that DMs have gotten upset with me for not playing halflings "correctly".

In some eyes, all halflings are either Bilbo/Frodo or hyper-active children.

I say as long as a player halfling is more than a walking cliche, but a full-fledged character, then it's not what Dinklage meant.

I take offense to the idea that any PC needs to behave like a stereotype or is being played wrong.


Joana wrote:


Iirc, the word "hobbit" was invented by Tolkien (unlike elf, dwarf, orc, etc.) and thus couldn't be used because it was someone else's Intellectual Property.

Not exactly. While it was sometimes attributed to him, Tolkien never claimed to have invented the word, "Hobbit," just the concept of a race of people like the ones in his books. The word "hobbit" itself as referring to fairy creatures is much older and prior sources have been uncovered proving it.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Just started Season 2 of Game of Thrones. And kept picturing Dinklage as Conan.

You too?


So this is appropriate.
(Also the Nostalgia Critic tends to use foul languages, so, you know, warnings are given.)


Tacticslion wrote:

So this is appropriate.

(Also the Nostalgia Critic tends to use foul languages, so, you know, warnings are given.)

Wonderful save they misquoted my favorite line from Tyrion.

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