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Do you do the same for any other professions?I agree with BNW that it would get a warning. I would be a little harder-nosed.
"I'd like to roll my profession (assassin) day job.
"Fantastic. What do you get. and oh, by the way, who's your target?"
"I get a 23. And I dunno. Just some guy."
"Killing just some guy for 20 gold would be an evil act, requiring an atonement. Did you want to follow through with that assignment?"
"Do I get to pick another attempt? Or maybe roll my craft (pottery) skill instead?
Nope. But you do get to be edgy, which I imagine is the point.
Sigfred, The Day Job is a net gain sort of roll. So I imagine someone spending 9980 gp for equipment and informants and bribes to off the Governor of a Razmiran town, to earn the 10,000 gp reward.
Sure. See profession Torturer
Pirate?
Unless you are a privateer, yeah, certainly at least chaotic, probably evil.
Slaver?
Depends. As pointed out elsewhere some slavery in Pathfinder is debt slavery, other is criminal punishment.
Tax auditor? Lawyer? Pathfinder?
Not actually evil. In fact, in the last scenario I ran, the players didn't kill anyone who was not already dead.
"special circumstances" of playing at your table?
No evil PCs is not a special circumstance
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Andy, you're right.
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I agree with BNW that it would get a warning. I would be a little harder-nosed.
"I'd like to roll my profession (assassin) day job.
"Fantastic. What do you get. and oh, by the way, who's your target?"
"I get a 23. And I dunno. Just some guy."
"Killing just some guy for 20 gold would be an evil act, requiring an atonement. Did you want to follow through with that assignment?"
"Do I get to pick another attempt? Or maybe roll my craft (pottery) skill instead?
Nope. But you do get to be edgy, which I imagine is the point.
Do you do the same for any other professions? Pirate? Slaver? Tax auditor? Lawyer? Pathfinder?
Yes, nosig. If someone says they are making a Day Job roll for profession lawyer or Pathfinder, I mark their Chronicle as evil.
Why are you treating this one special?
Because assassins kill people for money. If I recall correctly,you see the Day job roll as a mechanic while I see the Day Job as something the character does. So I really don't think we are going to sway each other on this.
And why are you trying to entrap a player? If you object to the Profession, why not just tell the player so he can adjust for the "special circumstances" of playing at your table?
I do warn the player. "Do you want to follow through with that assignment?"
"If you object to the profession [of assassin-for-hire in Paizo's public-facing organized play campaign] ..." Of course I object to players going around killing innocents for money. If the player wants to walk the edge of what's allowable, I'll be happy to assist. Assassinating wicked people, okay. Assassinating residents of Khatapesh who've gotten on the wrong side of a business rival? Not okay.
And look at what you're objecting to. A player deciding not to take a day job roll that would cost the PC more for clearing the consequences. A lost day job roll. I'm not sending the constables after the assassin. I'm not marking him evil and out of the campaign. The player wants a grimdark PC. Okay. Those can be fun. But here's the line, think twice before you cross it.
To the extent that I have a responsibility to Paizo, as a table judge for the campaign, I want to put the company in a positive light. Decisions like "I assassinate people for money" should have consequences.
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The idea that killing people for money is automatically evil is kind of silly in an adventuring game.The lady with the PC with a rank in Profession Assassion is a retired Army officer.
She compared the to a rank in Profession Soldier,with a specialty of Sniper.
Lawful types tend to confuse law with good.
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edit: If I am running a cleric of Asmodaus, can I put down as my day job: Profession: Orphanage Day Care Worker? (working for the Cheliaxian goverment in their outreach program) or am I going to have some judge revoke my cleric status for doing "Good Deeds" if I get a "35" on my day job?
Why would it be revoked, thats at least 4 more orpans converted to the one true faith, their souls saved from the chaos in the world
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The idea that killing people for money is automatically evil is kind of silly in an adventuring game.The lady with the PC with a rank in Profession Assassion is a retired Army officer.
She compared the to a rank in Profession Soldier,with a specialty of Sniper.
Nosig, your player is fine. I've searched for posts from management regarding the matter, and the only outlawed profession I could find was Torturer (resulting in a hilariously uncomfortable search history). Just advise your player that the choice might be looked down on by others, and to be prepared to change it for a session or two if it becomes an issue.
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It could, in the opinion of that just, shift my alignment, making me unable to be a cleric of my PCs dirty.... Because of rolling well on a day job check.
nosig, you might very well. I wouldn't know, but there are a lot of GMs out there, and some of them make weird calls. If someone decides that your Day Job is in conflict with your character's deity, and you disagree, you should probably discuss that with the event organizer, venture officer, etc. That's standard operating procedure.
I guess I'm not sure what your point is. Right now, alignment penalties for profession (assassin) are a table GM's judgement call. Are you asserting that, because some judgement calls are pretty weird, Day Job activities should not be subject to any judgement calls at all?
Whenever anybody suggests that Day Job checks shouldn't ever have consequences, other than gold rewards -- when, in UndeadMitch's terms, "the only outlawed profession...[is] Torturer" -- that's the example I use as a touchstone, and I simply cannot agree.
nosig, if you cannot see a difference between Profession (lawyer) and Profession (assassin), I don't know how I can explain it.
EDIT: Withdrew an off-topic remark.
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It could, in the opinion of that just, shift my alignment, making me unable to be a cleric of my PCs dirty.... Because of rolling well on a day job check.nosig, you might very well. I wouldn't know, but there are a lot of GMs out there, and some of them make weird calls. If someone decides that your Day Job is in conflict with your character's deity, and you disagree, you should probably discuss that with the event organizer, venture officer, etc. That's standard operating procedure.
I guess I'm not sure what your point is. Right now, alignment penalties for profession (assassin) are a table GM's judgement call. Are you asserting that, because some judgement calls are pretty weird, Day Job activities should not be subject to any judgement calls at all?
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nosig, if you cannot see a difference between Profession (lawyer) and Profession (assassin), I don't know how I can explain it.*** spoiler omitted **
Hey, buddy! Get off of me!
