Dhampir Pronunciation Question


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Grand Lodge

I've been pronouncing "Dhampir" with the "D" but I just saw, in the Pathfinder Society "Additional Resources" doc., "an dhampir" indicating a silent "d." Is the "d" silent?

Sczarni

I've been pronouncing it like Dam-peer forever, personally. And I don't think I've ever heard it differently, either.


More likely that it's a typo.

I've heard Dom-peer from a dozen different things, but never Ham-peer (or hamper).


dom peer or dam pyre.... but never hamper


I thought the "h" was mostly unpronounced, but made it a deeper vowel sound from the "a". A bit like when saying "balm" or "calm" you don't really pronounce the "l", but it changes the vowel sound (compare to "bam" or "cam".
(You might not know what I'm talking about. I've heard these kinds of vowel sounds are less common in American speech*.)

For some reason I imagined the "p" giving a "f" sound. Maybe I misread it as having another strange "h". So I thought the last syllable was a bit like "fear".

Probably entirely wrong, but I thus pronounce it a bit like "dalm-fear" or "daum-fear" or "dorm-fear" (not really sure how to write down what I'm pronouncing).

A friend of mine (who is actually a native french speaker) also pronounced it like that, but I had never said this word to him before. Therefore we came up with the same crazy pronounciation independently.
At the time, that made me think I was correct, although it seems you all disagree. Fair enough, I don't really have any justification for how I pronounce it.

*I'm from Australia.


The "h" does have a bit of a heavier sound in its native tongue, it's pronounced with more phlegm.

So the pronunciation comes out to something like D*phlegm*om-peer if I remember right.


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The word dhampir is believed to derive from the Albanian language where pirё means "to drink", and dhёmbё or dham means "teeth", thus dhampir, "to drink with teeth".

That's from wikipedia about the folklore about the dhampir. While I had hoped for some phonetics (perhaps even IPA) this might give some hint as to how it is ponounced.

Edit:

Quote:
IPA: /ðamˈpiɾ/, [ðamˈpiɹ]

Albanian language

So it seems to be: start with the th from then, add the a from father, the m from man, the p from pen, the ee from seed and end with a r from three.


/ðamˈpiɾ/, [ðamˈpiɹ]

Which if my understanding of his page Albanian phonology is:

thampeerrrrrrrrrr (rolled R)

From here


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DAMP-ir. Maybe they are updating this to ADHD-ir.


Vod Canockers wrote:


thampeerrrrrrrrrr (rolled R)

The rolled r would be r (Alveolar trill) but in dhampir you seem to have the ɾ, which is an Alveolar tap instead.


Umbranus wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:


thampeerrrrrrrrrr (rolled R)
The rolled r would be r (Alveolar trill) but in dhampir you seem to have the ɾ, which is an Alveolar tap instead.

This is why I am a less than cunning linguist.

Sczarni

Salindurthas wrote:
*I'm from Australia.

Ooo! I can't resist telling this story.

My grandparents adopted an Australian Shepherd puppy who had already been given the name "Amy", but since we knew three Amy's we quested for a new name. While we were camping one weekend with Amy we met an Australian man walking his Shepherd down a trail. Other than age, the two dogs looked identical.

In our conversation he introduced his dog to us as "Daisel".

My grandmother said, "Oh, that's a pretty name. What does it mean?"

The man looked at us in confusion. He repeated, "Daisel".

My grandmother asked again, "Yes, what does it mean?"

The man replied, "Daisel. Like what you put in your truck."

I almost died laughing. We called her "Daisel" from then on.


I believe the first time i heard the term was from Vampire Hunter D. You can watch that if you are looking for someone else saying it, though the princesses accent is a little thick.


Vod Canockers wrote:
Umbranus wrote:
Vod Canockers wrote:


thampeerrrrrrrrrr (rolled R)
The rolled r would be r (Alveolar trill) but in dhampir you seem to have the ɾ, which is an Alveolar tap instead.
This is why I am a less than cunning linguist.

I didn't want to dis you. You looked at the right site, faster than me (I only finished my edit after you made your posting).

But even if I never finished my graduate degree in philology/ linguistics* some parts of it stuck and remaind as some kind of hobby

*it was in fact african philology but I had several courses about phonetics where we learned how to read the IPA. But nowadays I have to look a lot of it up to get it right.


Wiktionary lists it as both the alveolar tap or approximate being legit. It definitely starts with the 'th' sound as in 'that' but the end could be 'r' as in 'car' or a sound that isn't present in American English but occurs in British English as well as Australian and, for those familiar, is very close to the r/l sound in Japanese. So it'd be pronounced 'Tham-peer' with the terminal 'r' being pronounced based on your locality (Americans would pronounce it like the 'r' in car while Brits, Ausies, etc. would pronounce it a little different). If you're from New England, then it's a moot point.

Shadow Lodge

W E Ray wrote:
I've been pronouncing "Dhampir" with the "D" but I just saw, in the Pathfinder Society "Additional Resources" doc., "an dhampir" indicating a silent "d." Is the "d" silent?

Regardless of whether it's "dam-PEER," ham-PEER," "tham-PEER," or (my personal fav) "hamper," using the indefinite article "an" in front of a consonant is wrong. So the typo hypothesis is a solid one.

Dark Archive

I'm going to pronounce it Ham-Pyre from now on.

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