Druids and undeath

[shallowsoul]

Just to let everyone know real quick, Reincarnate does not work on a Vampire.

[LazarX]

shallowsoul wrote:

Rynjin wrote:

Jeven wrote:

What next? Why not have druids clear-felling forests to make way for agriculture and cattle grazing, since corn and cows are also things of nature.

A druid is a priest of the natural world. As soon as you start giving him all of the accoutrements of civilization like metal armor, or a castle (stone is natural), or powers over the undead (corpses are part of nature), he's not longer an iconic druid.

Here's a fun question: ...Why do we need an "iconic" anything? What does it add to the game in the long run? What does the Paladin's Code, or the Druid's alignment and weird-ass armor restrictions add to the game at all?

My opinion is that it adds the exact same thing as war (huh!), but that's just me.

Jeven wrote:

Stripping all the classes of everything which makes them unique aside from a list of abilities just makes all of the classes bland and flavorless.

It's up to the player to add flavor anyway. All of the character classes are pretty generic in their description and fluff anyway. Druids like nature. Neat. Wizards learn spells from books and are smart. Yay. Fighters fight things. Yes indeed oh so non-bland and flavorful mmmhmm.

No, all the flavor generally comes form the player character's personality and quirks itself rather than anything.

When was the last time you remembered Generic Tree Hugging Druid #6 over the actual character's personality?

Are people forgetting more and more that this is a role playing game?

Fluff, flavor, and concept are what truly separate the classes and give them life, not just the mechanics. If this is your attitude then you truly are playing the wrong game, video games would be more to your liking.

Actually, 4th edition would probably be better suited for you.

I'm not the one who's trying to homogenize all of the classes by giving them the same worldview. And you can take your edition snobbishness and stick it in the appropriate orifice. Systems and roleplaying have nothing to do with each other. I've seen Pathfinder games roleplayed worse than Living Forgotten Realm sessions.

Nor am I trying to use Forgotten Realms to justify a corner Golarion concept. THOSE are the folks who should be playing 4th edition.

[Rynjin]

shallowsoul wrote:

Are people forgetting more and more that this is a role playing game?

Of course, I forget sometimes that the random built-in class fluff is more important to roleplaying than actually playing a role.

shallowsoul wrote:

Fluff, flavor, and concept are what truly separate the classes and give them life, not just the mechanics. If this is your attitude then you truly are playing the wrong game, video games would be more to your liking.

Agreed.

I just don't think the fluff should A.) Be restrictive to flavoring something or playing a concept or B.) Impact the mechanics at all.

And I do play video games. I had just finished a few missions on Sleeping Dogs and was about to pop in this Naruto fighting game (which is actually pretty fun) I rented yesterday when I decided to check this thread.

Fun thing about hobbies: You can have more than one.

shallowsoul wrote:

Actually, 4th edition would probably be better suited for you.

This is unlikely since I don't like the mechanics of 4th Ed too much.

[Starbuck_II]

shallowsoul wrote:

Are people forgetting more and more that this is a role playing game?

Fluff, flavor, and concept are what truly separate the classes and give them life, not just the mechanics. If this is your attitude then you truly are playing the wrong game, video games would be more to your liking.

Actually, 4th edition would probably be better suited for you.

No, too much fluff and flavor changes. You haven't read it have you?

Go play 3.5 if you that.

[shallowsoul]

Starbuck_II wrote:

shallowsoul wrote:

Are people forgetting more and more that this is a role playing game?

Fluff, flavor, and concept are what truly separate the classes and give them life, not just the mechanics. If this is your attitude then you truly are playing the wrong game, video games would be more to your liking.

Actually, 4th edition would probably be better suited for you.

No, too much fluff and flavor changes. You haven't read it have you?

Go play 3.5 if you that.

Your post makes no sense.

Changes what? We aren't talking about homebrew games here.

[Ashiel]

shallowsoul wrote:

Just to let everyone know real quick, Reincarnate does not work on a Vampire.

Of course it doesn't. Nobody said that it did.

[Lumiere Dawnbringer]

i have no problem with Undead Druids.

or Awakened Construct Druids

or Druids clad in metal armor

or Aberration Druids

or Outsider Druids

Vampires are predators, as are lions and sharks

and Undeath classifies as Rebirth under the circle of life. it may not be a socially desirable rebirth, but it is a form of rebirth

hell, even a genetically engineered humanoid whom was born in a beaker by means of a pair of donors and tweaked to get the best genes of both parents can be a druid.

[Zotpox]

And now...
for your literary pleasure I introduce...

The house pet of Pun-Pun

An abomination before the multiverse

The new Emblem of Snark wars 3.5

And the "DEATH OF PATHFINDER" as we know it

The not so cute iconic undead druid war seal of disaproval.

" insert name here "

No seriously the little guy needs a name. Please help "for the Seals"

NOTE:This is meant to be funny not snarky.