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Back when I was trying to make a more spell friendly rogue, I had the idea of putting a PDF together with the Damascarran. I had an image of a cover making a homage to the Tarzan/John Carter books I grew up.
The image would be your typical fantasy image, ape/demon thing charging down on the heroic (male) warrior, who is standing between the ape and the damsel in distress, sword in one hand, other hand conjuring fire. The woman is sitting kneeling down on the ground, 'relying on the big man to protect her from the scary ape thing.'
Sounds like your normal cheesecake novel approach, right? Well the catch is she has one hand in his beltpouch/coinpurse, the other has a thin line of magic connecting her to the beast. I thought about her looking at the viewer and winking, but discarded that as too blatent.
Just as the Damascarran was designed as a stabracadabra, the spellstalker was designed as a mix of rogue and sorcerer, using spells to assist in larceny.
So, after all that... here's the question. Is it still 'degrading' to women since she is basically playing the guy for a mark. She's not the 'damsel in distress' of standard fantasy art, she's controlling the situation.
There are a few pics of rogues(or rogue like characters) playing someone for a sap while breaking the fourth wall... Check those out.
Truth: You will never get us women to fully agree on what is acceptable and what is degrading. Some images are more ridiculous than others (and prompt winces when seeing Plate-mail bra or chainmail bikini). Just like anything else (or anybody else), what is offensive to one is not offensive to another.
The kneeling position might be a bit questionable to some. There are other ways to demonstrate the trope you've mentioned, but kneeling often indicates submission.
I personally don't have a problem with the scenario you're describing.
I like plate mail bikinis. They make me giggle.
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If you ask 10 women you are likely to get 10 different responses in varies degree's.
For me I don't care about the amount of skin shown or if a female uses her looks in art to get her way. The only kind of cheese cake art that bugs me is when the woman is shown as inferior to all the males in the art.
The art you describe I wouldn't have a issue, she is using smarts to outwit the guy. In the original piece of art it is based on I was never a fan cause the woman is shown as helpless.
Can't speak for anyone else, but the picture sounds amusing to me. I like that it is averting an older, more annoying trope.
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You are going about this all wrong...You don't ask women whether they think the art is inappropriate...you ask the artist's mums. The girls who play this game are prone to show up at comicon in a princess Leia metal bikini.
Now if you were talking about X-MEN art I think children in tight fitting spandex would be inappropriate.
Certainly Le Guin covers with naked Teens riding a Dragon would be inappropriate. That Calisi girl from Game of Thrones is 12 in the Novels meaning Kal Drogo marries and violates a child - I suspect the Concept art for that would be inappropriate.
She was 14 brah.
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You are going about this all wrong...You don't ask women whether they think the art is inappropriate...you ask the artist's mums. The girls who play this game are prone to show up at comicon in a princess Leia metal bikini.
No. The cover art doesn't sound offensive at all -- it sounds funny.
Your assumption that those of us who are female and play Pathfinder are willing to or interested in showing up at conventions in metal bikinis or any similar costume, however, I find profoundly offensive.
Is there any reason it couldn't be a halfling and a half-orc instead of a man and a woman?
(I think totally ripping off Frazetta's composition is a good a idea, just switch it up and give full credit.)
IF you are concerned about her coming across as submissive, don't use a full kneeling - have her on one knee. That gives a greater feel of control. As far as offensive - I like the classic artists (have 3 Boris pieces on my wall and enjoy pinup art) but I also wince at the chain mail bikinis - unless they make fun of the men in the same piece. My warrior women prints are true warriors wearing full armor ... and you get the impression that you don't want to tick them off either looking at their faces.
Can't speak for anyone else, but the picture sounds amusing to me. I like that it is averting an older, more annoying trope.
You(and others) tickle a memory..
Matt, check out the Chicks in Chainmail covers...More than a few of those are breaking the fourth wall IIRC, and they use the humor you're aiming for.
Yep, I've even got a story in one of them, "Baubles, Bangles, and Beads" in CHICKS AND CHAINED MALES. The cover is exactly the sort of humor you're describing.
Yep, I've even got a story in one of them, "Baubles, Bangles, and Beads" in CHICKS AND CHAINED MALES. The cover is exactly the sort of humor you're describing.
THAT WAS YOU!?!?!?!?? HOLY S@!&!!! I can't wait to tell my friend! She'll be tickled pink!!!
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Khal Drogo did not marry a Calici. At least, I did not read anything about him cascade vomiting for a week...
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Dude your Freudianjizm is leaking out. Just say, "look at these sexy
girls with me." We get it.
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