Tengu Swordmaster Trances

[JimM47]

The Tengu Swordmaster Rogue Archetype, from Advanced Race Guide p. 164, grants the ability to enter a Trance (Ex) that can mimic a Style Feat from Ultimate Combat. For instance, the Swordmaster may enter a Crane Trance and gain the benefits of the Crane Style Feat.

Is it possible to use this ability to take additional feats in the Crane Style Progression? That is, once the Swordmaster's BAB was high enough, would it satisfy the prerequisite feats for Crane Wing while in the trance?

[Azaelas Fayth]

No, you still must have the Feat...

& if someone can disprove this please provide the source because I can no longer find the source for the ruling I am saying.

[dunklezhan]

Azaelas Fayth wrote:

No, you still must have the Feat...

& if someone can disprove this please provide the source because I can no longer find the source for the ruling I am saying.

N-n-n-n-n-NECRO!

Ahem.

I can't find very much on this either but I would say yes, you'd have to actually have the crane style feat to qualify for buying the progressions.

I assume this is a trade off, because I also can't find anything which says you have to have the pre-requisites for Crane or Dragon Style in order to take those styles as one of your trances (i.e. you don't have to have Imp Unarmed Combat - because you're a SWORDmaster - or Dodge, or the skill investments). However you get FIVE different trances by the end of the swordmaster progression, which would be a huge investment for a character buying the feats.

So anyway - what I want to know is have I interpreted that correctly? Specifically:

My player has a Tengu Swordmaster (actually a rebuilt Pezok from Smuggler's Shiv to replace a dead PC). I have said he does not need the prerequisite feats in order to take any of the styles as his trances, and that he can use dragon and crane stances with his sword.

Do I have that right?

I'm not going to change that on him now, but I wanted to know for future reference if I had it right.

Cheers

[clff rice]

I woudl rule you could only use the advanced feats while in the trance however sense you only have the feat while trancing.

[Corum Blackwing]

clff rice wrote:

I woudl rule you could only use the advanced feats while in the trance however sense you only have the feat while trancing.

But even in the trance, odds are you do not have improved unarmed strike, unless you are a VERY monk-ey rogue.

[EvilPaladin]

Corum Blackwing wrote:

clff rice wrote:

I woudl rule you could only use the advanced feats while in the trance however sense you only have the feat while trancing.

But even in the trance, odds are you do not have improved unarmed strike, unless you are a VERY monk-ey rogue.

Unless you have the claw's alternate racial feature, which gives you IUS for prerequisites for feats.