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No, Gary Mitchell was a Lieutenant Commander and the helmsman of the Enterprise in the tos. He was a student and cadet during Kirk's time as an instructor.
The Valiant also had personnel affected by the barrier, just not Mitchell.
where no man has gone before plot
Apparently you are right. For the life of me I don't know why I would remember star trek differently. I guess I watched a different version...one where Gary Mitchel is part of the SS Valiant crew.
Maybe you're right in this universe.
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According to a still from the movie released yesterday, Cumberbatch is apparently playing someone named John Harrison.
NOTES FROM THE 9 MINUTE PREVIEW
Sadly the 9 minutes you will see in front of the Hobbit this weekend will not feature much Cumberbatch, or explain much.
Gary Mitchell was developing godlike powers, he could easily written as warping reality and possibly coming from another time or alternate reality to kill Kirk, or as many kirks as possible.
It's not too much of a stretch considering Hollywoods treatment of canon in anyone else's IP/Franchise.
Regardless of the true story to come, I'm looking forward to it.
I'll let everyone here know what's in that 9 min preview, I'll be seeing it, along with The Hobbit, at our local IMAX.
It was pointed out earlier in the thread that the IDW comic, which is supposedly canon in the new timeline, has done the Gary Mitchel storyline. It would be tricky to use anything that relies on the comic, without covering it again in the movie.
I don't think the comics are canon for the movie, unless they were written by the same people (as I believe they did for the prequel comic set in the TNG era).
That's fair enough then. Though I expect that if they have a really good idea for the films and someone says, "Hey, we can't do that because the comic says...", that they'll simply ignore the comics.
I hope they don't go with the original encounters experienced by the Original Star trek crew - they said we are now an an alternate history of Star trek... New Missions on a new path through space time.
Agree with the above part (mostly).
If you're going to reboot the franchise, then f&$@ing reboot the franchise. I don't want to see anything that the original crew did. I don't want to see anything even remotely related to the original crew. It was bad enough when the reboot went and mucked it up by uselessly throwing Nimoy-Spock in there and then blabbing on about 'new timelines' and other time-related garbage (showing us that Star Trek still can't get over that time-related crap that the more-recent TV series foisted on us).
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I hope they don't go with the original encounters experienced by the Original Star trek crew - they said we are now an an alternate history of Star trek... New Missions on a new path through space time.Agree with the above part (mostly).
If you're going to reboot the franchise, then f$++ing reboot the franchise. I don't want to see anything that the original crew did. I don't want to see anything even remotely related to the original crew. It was bad enough when the reboot went and mucked it up by uselessly throwing Nimoy-Spock in there and then blabbing on about 'new timelines' and other time-related garbage (showing us that Star Trek still can't get over that time-related crap that the more-recent TV series foisted on us).
PErsonally, I don't mind the timeline. Spock-Prime seemed pretty resolved about not caring about 'fixing' the timeline. If he really wanted to, just take a ship to the Guardian of Forever and go back to when Nero arrives, and blow his ship up. As long as he understands the future is going to continue to diverge I could picture him taking steps to make sure at least some of the 'bad things' don't come to pass.
"Yeah, send a ship out here with a couple of nukes. There's a planet eating ice cream cone out there."
"Young me. Remember that hot T'pal chick? Get a divorce now."
"We need whales."
"Somewhere along here is an old ship, the Botney Bay. Blow it up. Now."
"That Genesis plan will never work."
"You want to change the uniforms into space PJs? Um, no."
It wasn't just the most recent Trek series. Every single Trek has dealt with time travel and time loops at some point.
"Dealt" with it? Sure. However, it was the most recent series that pounded us over the head with it. The 'temporal cold war' nonsense was in two series, for pete's sake. And it sucked in both. It certainly hurt the Star Trek reboot, AFAIC.
If he really wanted to, just take a ship to the Guardian of Forever and go back to when Nero arrives, and blow his ship up. As long as he understands the future is going to continue to diverge I could picture him taking steps to make sure at least some of the 'bad things' don't come to pass.
*sigh*
Actually, yellowdingo, the solution is even simpler. Or should have been. Go dump the 'red matter' into the going-to-nova star now.
Problem goes away.
So both Old Spock and Nero were being stupid, more than evil.
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If you're going to reboot the franchise, then f~+$ing reboot the franchise. I don't want to see anything that the original crew did. I don't want to see anything even remotely related to the original crew. It was bad enough when the reboot went and mucked it up by uselessly throwing Nimoy-Spock in there and then blabbing on about 'new timelines' and other time-related garbage (showing us that Star Trek still can't get over that time-related crap that the more-recent TV series foisted on us).
Actually, I LOOOOOOVE the Sequel/Prequel concept that they pulled off. Was it PERFECT??? Nope!! Not remotely.
Do I want just ANOTHER 'reboot' of the same old crap I've seen before? HECK no!!!
Friday the 13th, Nightmare on elm st. Transformers, He-man, DC... Marvel...Batman... Amazing Spiderman... EVERYTHING now days is a 'reboot'. A glorified ego-trip that says 'I can do it BETTER then the guys who created the concept!'
I will take a story that acknowledges the original and builds off it ANYDAY.
TOS was really my favorite 'crew' with Next Generation a very close second... but the TNG movies destroying the cast at every turn, and the advanced age and death of the originals, I Loved the idea that we now get a kirk who is NOT in his 80's and can still fight and womanize without me rolling my eyes ;)
Kirk... Bones... Spock... all the old friction and banter with a 'decent' cast is really more then I hoped for when I went to see it. I was quite pleased when I left.
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-The science was too crazy even for Star Trek. (goo that makes black holes?!)Really? A liquid form of exotic matter that can be used to create singularities is the craziest thing you've ever seen come out of the Star Trek franchise?
Not really a liquid though is it. The Containment facility prevents the contained Red Matter from forming a black hole while a single drop can create a black hole out of the container. So what is Red Matter? There is only one thing it can possibly be interacting with in open space: Strings.
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Actually, yellowdingo, the solution is even simpler. Or should have been. Go dump the 'red matter' into the going-to-nova star now.
Problem goes away.
So both Old Spock and Nero were being stupid, more than evil.
OK...remind me not to play 'shoot my grandfather before my father is conceived' with you.
So he goes into the past and gets rid of the supernova...before it goes supernova. Supernova still exists for him in his own past but he creates a black hole which expands from the singularity forward and backwards in time from Point of origin. Problem just got worse.
I think there's something way more important than whether Abram's has done a Khan remake or something new in this story.
The biggest issue is will the be enough Lens Flare?
That could make or break this movie.
For someone that hates Josh Whedon, you sure have something for JJ Abrams.I will buy your ticket and many more besides.Yes! Joss Whe - er... JJ Abrams is my master now.
I do enjoy Abrams work, on occasion.
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I do enjoy Abrams work, on occasion.For someone that hates Josh Whedon, you sure have something for JJ Abrams.I will buy your ticket and many more besides.Yes! Joss Whe - er... JJ Abrams is my master now.
Yeah, to me there's little difference to their philosophical approach to movies. Both the Avengers and Star Trek were blockbuster films.
Ha, I see a:
"Time travel. Since my first day on the job as a Starfleet captain I swore I'd never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes - the future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache." -Capt. Janeway
And raise it:
DTI Agent Dulmer: "Captain, why'd you take The Defiant back in time?"
Captain Sisko: "It was an accident."
DTI Agent Lucsly: "So you're not contending it was a predestination paradox."
Dulmer: "A time loop? That you were meant to go back into the past?"
Sisko: "No."
Dulmer: "Good."
Lucsly: "We hate those."
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-The science was too crazy even for Star Trek. (goo that makes black holes?!)Really? A liquid form of exotic matter that can be used to create singularities is the craziest thing you've ever seen come out of the Star Trek franchise?
Nah, a spaceship flaring it's engines to pull out of the gravity sink of a black hole is probably the craziest thing Iv'e ever seen come out of a star trak franchise. Seriously, majot science fail (and remember, science is the first half of science fiction).
Still liked the first JJ film though, and anticipating the second one. Should be a bucketful of fun.
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-The science was too crazy even for Star Trek. (goo that makes black holes?!)Really? A liquid form of exotic matter that can be used to create singularities is the craziest thing you've ever seen come out of the Star Trek franchise?Nah, a spaceship flaring it's engines to pull out of the gravity sink of a black hole is probably the craziest thing Iv'e ever seen come out of a star trak franchise. Seriously, majot science fail (and remember, science is the first half of science fiction).
Still liked the first JJ film though, and anticipating the second one. Should be a bucketful of fun.
Go watch some Blakes 7. They fly the Liberator into a black hole and out the other side...on manual because the Ship AI had a panic attack and shut down.
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"That Genesis plan will never work."
Actually, with the destruction of Vulcan, I can see FSpock taking a good hard look at the Genesis project again.
And, since supposedly Carol Marcus is going to be in the new film (played by Alice Eve), Genesis may well feature in the plot, even if FSpock isn't involved.
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-The science was too crazy even for Star Trek. (goo that makes black holes?!)Really? A liquid form of exotic matter that can be used to create singularities is the craziest thing you've ever seen come out of the Star Trek franchise?Nah, a spaceship flaring it's engines to pull out of the gravity sink of a black hole is probably the craziest thing Iv'e ever seen come out of a star trak franchise. Seriously, majot science fail (and remember, science is the first half of science fiction).
Still liked the first JJ film though, and anticipating the second one. Should be a bucketful of fun.
I don't really care, since a black hole cannot be directly observed. A black body can, but not a black hole. I thought the Trek movie was very good but the science was funny.
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Go watch some Blakes 7. They fly the Liberator into a black hole and out the other side...on manual because the Ship AI had a panic attack and shut down.-The science was too crazy even for Star Trek. (goo that makes black holes?!)Really? A liquid form of exotic matter that can be used to create singularities is the craziest thing you've ever seen come out of the Star Trek franchise?Nah, a spaceship flaring it's engines to pull out of the gravity sink of a black hole is probably the craziest thing Iv'e ever seen come out of a star trak franchise. Seriously, majot science fail (and remember, science is the first half of science fiction).
Still liked the first JJ film though, and anticipating the second one. Should be a bucketful of fun.
Logic error. :)
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"That Genesis plan will never work."
Actually, with the destruction of Vulcan, I can see FSpock taking a good hard look at the Genesis project again.
And, since supposedly Carol Marcus is going to be in the new film (played by Alice Eve), Genesis may well feature in the plot, even if FSpock isn't involved.
Someone came up with a way to destroy the Borg using the Genesis device. :D
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"That Genesis plan will never work."
Actually, with the destruction of Vulcan, I can see FSpock taking a good hard look at the Genesis project again.
And, since supposedly Carol Marcus is going to be in the new film (played by Alice Eve), Genesis may well feature in the plot, even if FSpock isn't involved.
That's actually a pretty brilliant observation!
I would not be at all surprised if this is indeed part of the plot. If Spock hears of Dr. Marcus's work, he would most certainly contact her about trying to recreate some sort of Vulcan copy. Kirk will probably meet her because she is working with Spock on this Vulcan Mark II project.
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"That Genesis plan will never work."
Actually, with the destruction of Vulcan, I can see FSpock taking a good hard look at the Genesis project again.
And, since supposedly Carol Marcus is going to be in the new film (played by Alice Eve), Genesis may well feature in the plot, even if FSpock isn't involved.
That's actually a pretty brilliant observation!
I would not be at all surprised if this is indeed part of the plot. If Spock hears of Dr. Marcus's work, he would most certainly contact her about trying to recreate some sort of Vulcan copy. Kirk will probably meet her because she is working with Spock on this Vulcan Mark II project.
Well except Genesis was started well after TOS, and in the timeline, aren't we already right at the beginning of the 'five year mission'? She may not have even thought of Genesis. Though it could be amusing to have Spock give her the idea and try to speed things up...
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Well except Genesis was started well after TOS, and in the timeline, aren't we already right at the beginning of the 'five year mission'? She may not have even thought of Genesis. Though it could be amusing to have Spock give her the idea and try to speed things up..."That Genesis plan will never work."
Actually, with the destruction of Vulcan, I can see FSpock taking a good hard look at the Genesis project again.
And, since supposedly Carol Marcus is going to be in the new film (played by Alice Eve), Genesis may well feature in the plot, even if FSpock isn't involved.
That's actually a pretty brilliant observation!
I would not be at all surprised if this is indeed part of the plot. If Spock hears of Dr. Marcus's work, he would most certainly contact her about trying to recreate some sort of Vulcan copy. Kirk will probably meet her because she is working with Spock on this Vulcan Mark II project.
You're absolutely right - of course, this is a new timeline, so I don't see any reason that Carol Marcus could not have come up with the idea for the Genesis Project earlier in her career in this timeline.
I think there's a pretty strong likelihood that some form of Genesis Project / new Vulcan sub plot is going to play a role of some kind in the new movie. Of course, I've been wrong before :)
Quick question for those who saw the 9 min preview:
Do you remember the opening stardate? I don't and my search-fu has failed to turn it up so far.
Quick question for those who saw the 9 min preview:
Do you remember the opening stardate? I don't and my search-fu has failed to turn it up so far.
I'm still pissed that if you didn't see it in 3D you got no Star Trek preview. Thanks for reminding me.
Well except Genesis was started well after TOS, and in the timeline, aren't we already right at the beginning of the 'five year mission'? She may not have even thought of Genesis. Though it could be amusing to have Spock give her the idea and try to speed things up..."That Genesis plan will never work."
Actually, with the destruction of Vulcan, I can see FSpock taking a good hard look at the Genesis project again.
And, since supposedly Carol Marcus is going to be in the new film (played by Alice Eve), Genesis may well feature in the plot, even if FSpock isn't involved.
That's actually a pretty brilliant observation!
I would not be at all surprised if this is indeed part of the plot. If Spock hears of Dr. Marcus's work, he would most certainly contact her about trying to recreate some sort of Vulcan copy. Kirk will probably meet her because she is working with Spock on this Vulcan Mark II project.
Or are we just seeing the origin of David Marcus?
]I'm still pissed that if you didn't see it in 3D you got no Star Trek preview. Thanks for reminding me.When I saw the Hobbit, I got a normal trek trailer. Not the 9 minute 3d one. But we do get a Star Trek preview.
There wasn't even the normal trek trailer for us. Just 4 end of earth movies in a row (Tom Cruise playing the same character as Minority Report, Zombie love story, Glados + Giant Mecha by Del Toro, Will Smith crash lands). Also a Fern Gully nockoff that looked decent. I think there was 1 or 2 more but they left no impression on me.
glados+giant mecha by del toro will be amazing.
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Spoilers:
I went and looked back at Star Trek 1
I just thought of something.
** spoiler omitted **
That would certainly make the line
carry a lot more weight and venom!