Best Beast Shape II and III for combat


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Hello,

This is first post. I hope this is right place.

I have a wizard who is looking to use beast shape II, Beast Shape III and polymorph for combat.

The best I have combat oriented is Dire Tiger.

I am also coming up on 11th level, so beast shape IV would also be helpful.

Thanks in advance.

=Mondreyes
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I'd look at the druid guides on the list of guides.


I'm not clear what kind of a response you're looking for here since you didn't ask a question. Obviously, the Dire Tiger is a good call since you gain the ability to pounce and have good mobility from speed. I question though if this is the best way for a wizard to utilize their spells. Keep in mind that while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell you will not be able to cast any other spells since you can't speak, can't emulate the somatic components (hand gestures) and cannot access your spell components (they melded into your new form). Now, you can willing dismiss this spell (since the duration has a "(D)" on the end of it) by spending a standard action, if you find yourself needing to use a different spell...

Duration 1 min./level (D)

I guess a good question to ask is why do you feel this is something your wizard will be doing? Do you want to do it for flavor or is it necessary for your group to have someone else on the front lines? If one of these are the reasons, then go for it. It's just that generally Druids make much better polymorphers than wizards and wizards have a fairly superior spell list, so it just seems like a suboptimal choice.

Just my $0.02.

Also, welcome to the forums.


For the upcoming adventure my wizard is the second best fighter with his because of his beast shapes and polymorph.

I am asking if there are other forms, other than the dire tiger, that are good forms for combat.

I appreciate the help.

=Mondreyes
anabloxx@gmail.com

Liberty's Edge

Absolutely! What's your preference? Do you like to grab? Poison? Trip?

Personally, I think Trip is a strong use for the polymorph spells, even though you don't get a +4 bonus to the maneuver like you would if you were grabbing.

The Dire Wolf form gives you a +1 size bonus to your CMB, and has a single bite that deals 1d8+1.5x Str and trips. This is a good form for you to use to back your primary frontliner up. You control, and he delivers the damaging blows.

If you want to grab, the dire tiger isn't for you. No, if you want to grab, you'll want a creature that has the Constrict special attack. Unfortunately, one of the strongest animal constrictors in the game (the giant anaconda) is a Gargantuan creature, so you can't even transform into one with the beast shape IV spell. However, the regular anaconda form (an advanced giant constrictor found here) has a single bite attack that deals 1d8+1.5x its Strength modifier and the grab special attack, giving you a total of +5 to your CMB on grapple checks (in addition to the Str bonus you get from the spell).

The anaconda also has the constrict attack, which means that you deal twice as much damage on a successful grapple check made to continue grappling (you deal damage for the bite, and then damage for the constrict, each equal to 1d8+1.5x Str, for a total of 2d8+3x Str each turn).

For poison, the Emperor Cobra is my preference, with a bite attack that deals 2d6+1.5x your Str and poison that deals 1d3 Con every round for 6 rounds and requires 2 consecutive saves to cure.


What beast shape allows a wizard to turn into a treant? I don't see anything outstanding yet

I appreciate the help.

=Mondreyes
anabloxx@gmail.com

Liberty's Edge

Plant shape allows for treants.


MONDREYES wrote:
What beast shape allows a wizard to turn into a treant? I don't see anything outstanding yet

Plant Shape III


My character is only 10th level. What are some of the best combat form at that level?

Thanks
Mondreyes
anabolixx@gmailk.com


Is undead anatomy II any good for combat or beast shape III and mythical lion.

Mondreyes

Dark Archive

NeoSeraphi wrote:

Absolutely! What's your preference? Do you like to grab? Poison? Trip?

Personally, I think Trip is a strong use for the polymorph spells, even though you don't get a +4 bonus to the maneuver like you would if you were grabbing.

The Dire Wolf form gives you a +1 size bonus to your CMB, and has a single bite that deals 1d8+1.5x Str and trips. This is a good form for you to use to back your primary frontliner up. You control, and he delivers the damaging blows.

If you want to grab, the dire tiger isn't for you. No, if you want to grab, you'll want a creature that has the Constrict special attack. Unfortunately, one of the strongest animal constrictors in the game (the giant anaconda) is a Gargantuan creature, so you can't even transform into one with the beast shape IV spell. However, the regular anaconda form (an advanced giant constrictor found here) has a single bite attack that deals 1d8+1.5x its Strength modifier and the grab special attack, giving you a total of +5 to your CMB on grapple checks (in addition to the Str bonus you get from the spell).

The anaconda also has the constrict attack, which means that you deal twice as much damage on a successful grapple check made to continue grappling (you deal damage for the bite, and then damage for the constrict, each equal to 1d8+1.5x Str, for a total of 2d8+3x Str each turn).

For poison, the Emperor Cobra is my preference, with a bite attack that deals 2d6+1.5x your Str and poison that deals 1d3 Con every round for 6 rounds and requires 2 consecutive saves to cure.

You do know that the anaconda is an illegal form for the beast shape spells right?

polymorph school wrote:


Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.

For the OP I do hope you are being careful with this setup. Since you are still restricted to your normal BaB and HP's, at this level of play 1 decent hit from any melee critter will probably kill you instantly.

Especially since most of your defensive gear & abilities stop working in these forms.


Sorry, what is OP?

What spell do you need to change into a cobra? I like constitution damage.

I find the DMs creatures hard to hit. That is why I chose the dire tiger.

What happens if he casts greater magic weapon and/or enlarge person and then uses beast shape?

Thanks.
Mondreyes


Polymorph seems pretty weak, compared to beast shape II and III.

Mondreyes.


NeoSeraphi wrote:

Absolutely! What's your preference? Do you like to grab? Poison? Trip?

Personally, I think Trip is a strong use for the polymorph spells, even though you don't get a +4 bonus to the maneuver like you would if you were grabbing.

The Dire Wolf form gives you a +1 size bonus to your CMB, and has a single bite that deals 1d8+1.5x Str and trips. This is a good form for you to use to back your primary frontliner up. You control, and he delivers the damaging blows.

If you want to grab, the dire tiger isn't for you. No, if you want to grab, you'll want a creature that has the Constrict special attack. Unfortunately, one of the strongest animal constrictors in the game (the giant anaconda) is a Gargantuan creature, so you can't even transform into one with the beast shape IV spell. However, the regular anaconda form (an advanced giant constrictor found here) has a single bite attack that deals 1d8+1.5x its Strength modifier and the grab special attack, giving you a total of +5 to your CMB on grapple checks (in addition to the Str bonus you get from the spell).

The anaconda also has the constrict attack, which means that you deal twice as much damage on a successful grapple check made to continue grappling (you deal damage for the bite, and then damage for the constrict, each equal to 1d8+1.5x Str, for a total of 2d8+3x Str each turn).

For poison, the Emperor Cobra is my preference, with a bite attack that deals 2d6+1.5x your Str and poison that deals 1d3 Con every round for 6 rounds and requires 2 consecutive saves to cure.

neo : you got a mistake ...

when turning to anakonda - you dont gain the feats, hence the bite is only 1d6 (and also the constrict) and not 1d8... but its a cool form indeed.


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The attack still provides the poison attack?

Mondreyes.


I;m ready to hit 11th level. Are there any good melee creatures for beast shape IV?

Mondreyes.

Grand Lodge

About the best I have found is the Catoblepas. It gets a decent bite and gore attack, as well as a poisonous breath weapon. Otherwise, though . . . well there just are not that many "Large" Magical Beasts out there. They seem to jump from Tiny to Huge with far less variation.

Edit: D'oh! I completely forgot the Chimera! Bah. Catoblepas if you'd like a swim speed, Chimera if you wanna fly.


I'm new to pathfinder. Our DM seems yo use very high armor classes. What do you suggest for that.

Oh, BTW, I appreciate the help.

=Mondreyes


"Sorry, what is OP?"
OP means Original Poster, the creator of the Thread. In this one that would be you.

On topic when you polymorph you should know what you expect of the form you'll assume.
You also have to know which book you can choose from. For exemple, catoblepas is from bestiary2, I for one can't use that form.

Also 11th level, you can use form of the dragon, wich is far superior to beast shape since you can still cast spells (provided you have the component).


Discounting the breath weapon weapon, isn't the dire tiger and mythical tiger better combat forms?

Thanks again,
=Mondreyes


How do I edit a post?

=Mondreyes


He also has monstrous physique II. Is there a good melee form for this spell?

Also, we have to fight a dread wraith and most of my spells are transmutations or battlefield control. Any suggestions for a 10th level wizard.

=Mondreyes


Velociraptor. Has almost as many attacks, but fits in the squares so you can actually pounce. Also has more attacks if you can't pounce.


Thanks/ What page is that creature on?/

You have any opinion for magical beast or the monstrous physique.

=Mondreyes


Will undead anatomy allow the user to hit incorporeal undead 100% of the time>


Well, I appreciate all the help in my first major post!

I could not really find the velociraptor is located at.

I just started looking at monstrous physique.

Will undead anatomy hide the caster from lifsense?

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!!!!

=Mondreyes

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