
Cult of Vorg |

Dawnflower dervish bard gets double self inspire courage (which is competence bonus), and dervish dance as a bonus feat at 1st so you don't need to take weapon finesse. That's tough to beat.
Maneuver master monk dip for free maneuvers. Trip and disarm?
Paladin of holy light and vengeance (blue steel!).
Bard 7, Monk 2, Paladin 11?
Str 13, Dex 16+2, Con 14, Int 7+2, Wis 7, Cha 16-2.
You could ditch the paladin levels, save those for android zoolander instead of hansel, and take more bard with some fighter for feats... Bard 13, Monk 2, Fighter 5?

john ralls |

Discordant Voice seems to apply to all weapon damage.
whoops, ya discordant voice. was going to take it with my inspiring commander but it quite specifically changes the bardic performance away from supernatural

john ralls |

For it to work, you need to create a spell-like or supernatural effect, and Rain of Blows is a Supernatural ability.
Yeah, what you mean john?
sorry i was referring to the character i am currently playing. i am using the inspiring commander archetype for my cavalier. it gets a limited amount bardic performance, but it is considered an extraordinary ability as opposed to supernatural.
the battle dance of dawnflower dervish or dervish dancer both retain their supernatural quality so you should be peechy keen to get the extra sonic damage.

lemeres |

Oh, and I realize things like Inspire Courage, and Inspire Heroics will not effect the Android.
Actually, reading it, you can still benefit from inspire courage. The bonuses to attack and damage are competence bonuses. You still lose the bonuses to saves though (but half of that was fear saves....so no loss). Inspire Greatness looks unaffected, and you still get the dodge bonus for Inspire Heroics.
I'd go with the dawnflower dervish for bards. The bonuses mentioned above get doubles (although only for you...but with numbers that high that quick, you might actually give many fighters a run for their money). And do not worry too much about getting a large score in CHA. Most bard spells are either mind affecting or buffs. Focus on the latter and your CHA score will only matter for getting bonus spells per day and extra rounds for your performances (which could be more easily obtained through a feat really). Since you want to dump int and wis (with a bard's skill points and will saves, it is no real loss), you can easily work off of this with a 20 point buy: STR: 13 DEX: 16 CON: 14 INT: 7 WIS: 7 CHA: 16
The incentive for grabbing dervish dance is that you do not need a +2 weapon in order to actually do damage. Just a masterwork scimitar that could be grabbed from any blacksmith would work. You can go on to enhance that weapon however you like, without using a specific +1 enhancement to get it to do any real damage. So over all, it is price and ability to replace it in case it is lost, stolen, or destroyed. Plus the satisfaction that you are the source of the dex to damage, rather than relying on magic.

lemeres |

Well, that is a +2 to hit and damage rolls at level 1. That is comparable to a barbarian's rage (well, barbarian gets more raw damage since they can two hand the weapon). It ends as a +8 at level 17. This is per hit too. That doubles what fighters get from just weapon training.
Although... that would be good grounds for making a TWF build as well. Maybe a pair of agile light weapons. It would be worth getting some throwing knives for when you can't go into melee and full attack at least. Maybe a full archer build could work too. All the raw power this archetype throws around can actually make bards more versatile beyond merely being a dervish dancer or buffer.

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Is there any way to create my own background music while fighting?
The Harmonizing armor enchantment is all I can come up with.
It is really expensive though.

lemeres |

For pure flavor, I feel like this bard should be able to make its own background music.
Admittedly, this might only be a reflavored perform(sing) (that is what I'd put humming under at least...and this would just be very ADVANCED humming...kind of), but it might still end up awesome. I think you might be able to get this approved if you were not using it as part of a bardic performance, but rather simply adding onto your perform (dance). No real bonuses, especially since the people who would be impressed would not be able to benefit from the battle dances anyway for either of the main archetypes we have discussed. No, it is simply cheese.

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Well, there is the Clamor Box, but I am not sure if it is one use.
That would suck if it is.

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lemeres |

But it is an android. I think it could autotune its own voice... or even fake other instruments depending on the music software.
Would just a simple ghost sound work? I mean, the spell itself references how it can be used with silent image, so I would imagine that you can do other things while the sound is going on (unless they meant that one person can do audio, the other video). Yeah, looking at it, it is more like a recording that is made and played once the spell starts. Just use that.
But the real draw is this: Permanency. Make your own theme song, and have people hear it every time you enter the room. Now if only that had an off switch...

lemeres |

The spell itself references permanency. At least it does here. I can't say whether it will be connected to a person, or a specific place (such as adding a dragon's roar that plays occasionally within an old cavern, which would discourage people from snooping). If it is the latter, I can at least see some one making a fantasy rave club, with a continual "doot doot doot doot doot."
I may be wrong about this, but it looks like the effect of ghost sound is round based and does not involve concentration. This would make sense since it says "You choose what type of sound ghost sound creates when casting it and cannot thereafter change the sound's basic character." It is a bit like saying 'summon invisible CD player.'
Can't say anything about casting time though. That is why I kind of suggest it for making a dramatic entrance.

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Necro!
With a new book, comes new possibilities.
Mainly, this new feat:
Empathy
You have learned to experience emotion.
Prerequisites: Cha 13, android.
Benefit: You lose the emotionless racial trait. You can
gain morale bonuses, and can be affected by emotion-based
effects and fear effects. You lack the +4 racial bonus on saving
throws against mind-affecting effects.
Thoughts?