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Most women would love an ability to create Pitt.
There's a sorc in a game I'm playing who has every single variation of create pit on her spell list. She pretty much uses one every fight...
... but sometimes a monster flies or is huge and not a one of them does any good at all.
That said though yeah, it's a REALLY nice spell for its level.
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Create Pit does not defeat teleport and dimension door. This has been stated by the paizo staff that extra planar is not the same thing as extradimensional. You can teleport or D-Door out of the pit created by the Create Pit spell.
Also, people overestimate Create Pits effectiveness on keeping a person at the bottom. Due to the climb rules the Climb DC can be reduced by 5 for a medium or smaller creature and reduced by 15 for a Large creature.
Still, it is a good spell.
- Gauss
My test party for Mythic did some awesome work with a Hungry Pit spell vs. an Adamantine Golem. I was surprised with how effective it was for keeping it out of the fight.
DJEternalDarkness:
How did you do that? An Adamantine Golem is huge. It doesn't fit. Only large and smaller creatures are subject to a create pit spell.
- Gauss
Can't they be metamagiced? Hm, Widen Spell doesn't seem to apply, right?
Too bad.
Ruyan.
RuyanVe, you are correct that Widen Spell cannot be applied to the Create Pit line of spells. Create Pit is not a burst, emanation, or spread.
- Gauss
Well huh, thank you for pointing that out to me! now I'm better prepped.
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It has to be used tactically. Create pit thwarts a cavalier's charge, makes it difficult for melee fighters to engage, and painful for the cleric to get in breath of life range (if they don't end up being sucked into the pit anyway). I've had games where the spell has been nothing but trouble. It really comes down to the skill of the caster to make effective use of it.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the best spell in the game is Haste.
Its good, but not the best spell in the game in my opionion. At times it can be more problematic then it is helpful, or so I've seen in my kingmaker game. It is as much an obstacle for allies as it is for enemies, and it is difficult to target an enemy trapped in the pit. It can be good for fighting multiple foes, but it can often inconvenience the heavy hitters in your party who may have been trying to kill the thing you just dropped in a pit, and now they cant get to it.
It has to be used tactically. Create pit thwarts a cavalier's charge, makes it difficult for melee fighters to engage, and painful for the cleric to get in breath of life range (if they don't end up being sucked into the pit anyway). I've had games where the spell has been nothing but trouble.
I have also seen Create Pit (et al.) cause more than its fair share of annoyance on both sides of the GM screen.
The best spell in the game is the one that solves your current problem. The pit line of spells is powerful, and flexible, and does a lot. I like them. But they're not going to solve every problem you have.
Well, you might say I am quite fond of this line of spells.(points to her moniker) =)
If your foes are smaller than the pit, and corporeal, and aren't flying, and you've got an available surface to cast the spell on, and you're on a plane with gravity . . .
Don't get me wrong, it's a useful spell. But so is web.
see:
Dont forget this one: And your GM forgets that creatures can brace while climbing and thus reducing the climb DC by 5 or 15 depending on creature size.
Elamdri: Create Pit is level 2.
- Gauss
Elamdri: Create Pit is level 2.
- Gauss
Well, that changes EVERYTHING! :P
Greg
LOL Greg. I was just informing Elamdri, not making a valuation on if it is the best spell or not. I typically do not make such valuations as they are situationally dependant.
- Gauss
I want to make a cartoon-based sorcerer who specializes in making pits and pulling objects out of thin air.
And dropping anvils?
Greg
Unfortunately, you cannot use Conjuration magic to create something 'in thin air' unless that thing can be supported by air (such as by flying) or unless the spell specifically states otherwise. So nope, no falling anvils.
- Gauss
DEMMIT!
But, more on track with the thread, I have only seen create pit cast once...and the bad thing made its reflex save. *sighs* We did manage to slay the bad thing before it could act though.
The group I run, they just don't seem to ever use it. *shrugs* The boards make it seem really neat though.
@ Gauss...think we could reskin a spell to do the anvil thing? Big Lemon deserves it!
Greg
Greg Wasson, if you really want to do the anvil thing use Telekinesis. :)
Carry around an anvil in your bag of holding. Open bag of holding, TK the anvil out of the bag, drop it on the subject.
- Gauss
I don't know why we're still debating this. We've already established that the best spell is Haste.
Most women would love an ability to create Pitt.
Lol!! thats good one
I don't know why we're still debating this. We've already established that the best spell is Haste.Unless you're in a party of casters.
I don't know many casters who don't enjoy an extra 30ft of movement, +1 to reflex saves, and +1 to their touch and ranged touch spells.
Besides, since Haste is the best spell in the game, any situation where it would not be the best spell is a logical impossibility, and hence cannot exist. =)
Unfortunately, you cannot use Conjuration magic to create something 'in thin air' unless that thing can be supported by air (such as by flying) or unless the spell specifically states otherwise. So nope, no falling anvils.
- Gauss
Unless you create a specific spell that is capable of doing exactly that.
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I also think you can use create pit to bypass doors and portcullises. I guess it only works if the door/portcullis is at least 10' wide because of the "horizontal surface of sufficient size" requirement. But it might be useful in some situations.
Create a pit centered under or near the door, climb down, move 5', dismiss spell and you're on the other side and no-one will know because you didn't even touch the door.
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I guess it only works if the door/portcullis is at least 10' wide because of the "horizontal surface of sufficient size" requirement.
Isn't the area 20x20? It slopes the ground as well as makes a 10x10 hole.
I'm not certain this spell works in most hallways like many seem to believe.
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I've seen Create Pit and its big brother Acid Pit used and they're a huge bargain for the spell slot. For most enemies, it's save-or-lose (be removed from the fight), take damage, and can be used to control terrain. One of those is a fine feature for any spell, but all three is a bit much. I'm sure at higher levels it's less effective, but at low to mid, pretty amazing.
When I used the spell back against my players, they agreed to house-rule a ban on the line of create pit spells. Our preference based on experience, not arguing it should be removed from the game.
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Create Pit + Grease + Summon Swarm = FUN
At higher level:
Spiked Pit + Wall of Fire + Wall of Stone
Spiked Pit + Rain of Frogs is my favourite spell combo. I feel like I'm not so much fighting an enemy as bullying them.
Just for fun I sometimes use mount to drop horses on top of the poor sap(s) too.
Man, lately, people have been necroing topics that I post one liners in. kinda jarring seeing things I posted a year ago.