I've been wanting to try and determine a way to gain a 'sting' attack, preferably in combination with a cloak of resistance. However, I'm afraid the only items that can give me an 'idea' as to how much this would cost would be:
a) Ring of Rat Fangs - 5,000 gp
b) Cloak of the Manta Ray - 7,200 gp (sadly the 'sting attack' only works while in salt water).
c) Wyvern Cloak - 78,600 gp (this is very close to what I would like, except I don't need the featherfall, fly, or poison from the sting).
I'd very much appreciate any suggestions. Thanks again :)
Reskin Cloak of the Manta Ray to Cloak of the Scorpion.
Keep price.
Profit.
RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16
|
I've been wanting to try and determine a way to gain a 'sting' attack, preferably in combination with a cloak of resistance. However, I'm afraid the only items that can give me an 'idea' as to how much this would cost would be:
a) Ring of Rat Fangs - 5,000 gp
b) Cloak of the Manta Ray - 7,200 gp (sadly the 'sting attack' only works while in salt water).
c) Wyvern Cloak - 78,600 gp (this is very close to what I would like, except I don't need the featherfall, fly, or poison from the sting).
I'd very much appreciate any suggestions. Thanks again :)
For a simple sting attack with no poison, I think pricing similar to the Ring of Rat Fangs should be completely reasonable. In fact, since stings are always secondary, it could even be a little cheaper, maybe 4,000gp for a ring or other slotted item, and then 5,000gp for a slotless item. That's my take on it.
actually, the 'sting attack' is a primary attack ;)
@Rynjin
So I'm assuming if I 'reskin' cloak of the manta ray...it would then cost 1.5 more to combine it with my cloak of resitance +1 correct?
@cartmanbeck
I figured the ring of rat fangs would be a good choice, and if I used your example, to combine them it would cost me 5,000 gp * 1.5 + cloak of resitance +1 (and then I can just upgrade the cloak as normal.
My 'guess' is that this item would cost 8,500 gp. Is that correct? (for a Cloak of the Scorpion with a +1 Resistance bonus)
If the sting attack is primary, keep it closer to cloak of the manta ray. Also remember, if you want this to be a permanent affect, it will cost much much more than the cloak of the manta ray. Your honestly probably better off finding a wizard crazy enough to polymorph you into the same creature as you are, but with a tail. This would be cheaper than the permanent cloak also. On top of a permanent item costing more, if you're putting on a cloak of resistance, you pay even more since you are adding multiple unsimilar abilities.
What the heck character are you building? Are you trying to see if you can get every single natural attack in the game on one character? Are you involved in some kind of "who can make the most attacks" contest?" Every time I see a thread about getting/using natural attacks, you started it--what's the end goal, here?
Where is the wyvern cloak? I cannot find it doing a Google search, searching the PRD, or searching d20PFSRD.
You know, I tried doing this according to the magic item creation rules, and got something that was way overpriced.
Based on the other items, and based on the calculations I did do, I'd say the cost of a magic item that gives you a tail attack should be around 7,000-14,000 gp. (What you want is a tail attack, since you're not interested in the poison.)
(The way I got this was, other than looking at the COMR and ring, spell level x caster level x 2,000 for continuous effect. I used beast shape II as root spell as I couldn't find a spell that just gives you a natural attack (I'm sure one exists, I just couldn't find it at a quick glance) and CL 7. And then I divided the result (56,000) by 8 because you're getting such a limited effect from the spell (about an 8th of its total effect, more or less) = 7,000.
And then if this is on top of a cloak of resistance, add the cost of the COR (1,000 for a +1 bonus) for a total of 8,000.
That's just what I'd do. I'm sure more experienced item builders would have better ideas.
Well, the goal is to make the 'sting cloak' item first, and then use the rules for 'combining' magic items together (you basically multiply the more expensive item by 1.5 and add it to the cost of the other item).
The only issue with using the 'ring of rat fangs' is that the damage dice (1d4) is sized for a 'small creature' (medium creatures would normally get 1d6 on a bite). However, I'm trying to get a 'medium sized' natural attack for the 'sting attack' (which is still 1d4).
My eventual goal is to combine a bunch of primary attacks together (with things like the Helm of the Mammoth Lord and Feral Mutagen) to make an alchemist that uses nothing but natural attacks (essentially a 'Mr Hyde' monster).
I just need to figure out the pricing is all.
What the heck character are you building? Are you trying to see if you can get every single natural attack in the game on one character? Are you involved in some kind of "who can make the most attacks" contest?" Every time I see a thread about getting/using natural attacks, you started it--what's the end goal, here?
lol, I'm actually just one of those players who likes using 'unarmed strikes' and natural attacks. Don't ask me why, but I just think it's cool to have the warrior who uses their body as a weapon.
also, don't worry, I've pretty much decided that I"m never going to build my two-weapon fighting unarmed barbarian now (yea...he got up 13 attacks...and I don't think that'll be very fun).
However, I have been trying like crazy to make a fun natural attacking alchemist, and I'm very much looking forward to posting the build for him soon. :)
Where is the wyvern cloak? I cannot find it doing a Google search, searching the PRD, or searching d20PFSRD.
You know, I tried doing this according to the magic item creation rules, and got something that was way overpriced.
Based on the other items, and based on the calculations I did do, I'd say the cost of a magic item that gives you a tail attack should be around 7,000-14,000 gp. (What you want is a tail attack, since you're not interested in the poison.)
(The way I got this was, other than looking at the COMR and ring, spell level x caster level x 2,000 for continuous effect. I used beast shape II as root spell as I couldn't find a spell that just gives you a natural attack (I'm sure one exists, I just couldn't find it at a quick glance) and CL 7. And then I divided the result (56,000) by 8 because you're getting such a limited effect from the spell (about an 8th of its total effect, more or less) = 7,000.
And then if this is on top of a cloak of resistance, add the cost of the COR (1,000 for a +1 bonus) for a total of 8,000.
That's just what I'd do. I'm sure more experienced item builders would have better ideas.
The Wyvern Cloak is in the ultimate equipment, and sadly...I can't use a tail attack...it needs to be a 'sting attack' (tail attacks are secondary...stings are primary). I guess if it needs to add poison, it can...but as I said...that's not really the point.
The ring of rat fangs uses magic fang and polymorph in its construction...so yea...not sure what I'll need for a 'sting attack'
The Wyvern Cloak is in the ultimate equipment, and sadly...I can't use a tail attack...it needs to be a 'sting attack' (tail attacks are secondary...stings are primary). I guess if it needs to add poison, it can...but as I said...that's not really the point.Where is the wyvern cloak? I cannot find it doing a Google search, searching the PRD, or searching d20PFSRD.
You know, I tried doing this according to the magic item creation rules, and got something that was way overpriced.
Based on the other items, and based on the calculations I did do, I'd say the cost of a magic item that gives you a tail attack should be around 7,000-14,000 gp. (What you want is a tail attack, since you're not interested in the poison.)
(The way I got this was, other than looking at the COMR and ring, spell level x caster level x 2,000 for continuous effect. I used beast shape II as root spell as I couldn't find a spell that just gives you a natural attack (I'm sure one exists, I just couldn't find it at a quick glance) and CL 7. And then I divided the result (56,000) by 8 because you're getting such a limited effect from the spell (about an 8th of its total effect, more or less) = 7,000.
And then if this is on top of a cloak of resistance, add the cost of the COR (1,000 for a +1 bonus) for a total of 8,000.
That's just what I'd do. I'm sure more experienced item builders would have better ideas.
Even so the pricing I described would be the same, based on the spell I used (because it's a polymorph spell, which always grants you the natural attacks of the creature transformed into). Fact now that I think of it you could probably use beast shape I as the base spell (but I'd probably still leave the final pricing at around 7,000 or so).