monk and cestus


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When a monk uses the cestus doors he use his unarmed damage our does it become a 1d4

Dark Archive

It uses the Cestus' damage.


It becomes 1d4 but you can choose to deal Piercing damage if you want to.

It's a great weapon to carry around for when you need to lend that one party member who forgot to bring a Blunt and/or Piercing weapon along though.


If you would read.

"The cestus is a glove of leather or thick cloth that covers the wielder from mid-finger to mid-forearm. The close combat weapon is reinforced with metal plates over the fingers and often lined with wicked spikes along the backs of the hands and wrists. While wearing a cestus, you are considered armed and your unarmed attacks deal lethal damage. If you are proficient with a cestus, you can have your unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning or piercing damage. Monks are proficient with the cestus. When using a cestus, your fingers are mostly exposed, allowing you to wield or carry items in that hand, but the constriction of the weapon at your knuckles gives you a –2 penalty on all precision-based tasks involving that hand (such as opening locks). A cestus can’t be disarmed"

So a 10th level monk would do 1d10 + Str bludgeoning or piercing damage.

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tony ridlon 0 wrote:

If you would reads "The cestus is a glove of leather or thick cloth that covers the wielder from mid-finger to mid-forearm. The close combat weapon is reinforced with metal plates over the fingers and often lined with wicked spikes along the backs of the hands and wrists. While wearing

a cestus, you are considered armed and your unarmed attacks deal lethal damage. If you are proficient with a cestus, you can have your unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning or piercing damage. Monks are proficient with the cestus. When using a cestus, your fingers are mostly exposed, allowing you to wield or carry items in that hand, but the constriction of the weapon at your knuckles gives you a –2 penalty on all precision-based tasks involving that hand (such as opening locks. A cestus can’t be disarmed" So a 10th level monk would do 1d10+Str bludgeoning or piercing damage.

Where in the description do you see that it states that a monk using a cestus deals full monk unarmed damage? It is a "monk" weapon, meaning that it can be used with flurry of blows. But a sai or temple sword don't use the monk's unarmed damage for attacks, and neither does a cestus.


It say "your unarmed attacks deal lethal damage." and "your unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning or piercing damage"

Grand Lodge

The only "unarmed" weapon, is the unarmed strike.

So, the only thing improved by a Monk's increased unarmed strike damage, is the unarmed strike.

Weapons like the Cestus, deal Cestus damage.


Weapon description superseded Table.

"If you are proficient with a cestus, you can have your unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning or piercing damage. Monks are proficient with the cestus."


tony ridlon 0 wrote:

Weapon description superseded Table.

"If you are proficient with a cestus, you can have your unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning or piercing damage. Monks are proficient with the cestus."

So where does that say that the Cestus deals the augmented US damage?

It has a listed damage, 1d4.

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tony ridlon 0 wrote:
It say "your unarmed attacks deal lethal damage." and "your unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning or piercing damage"

The first only benefits those without the Improved Unarmed Strike feat.

The second seems like a good argument in favor of cestus doing "monk" unarmed damage, except for the entire description's ambiguity with regard to the unarmed strike that it modifies.

On one hand, if we interpret that the cestus modifies the unarmed strike that it "provides", then its damage is always 1d4.

On the other hand, if we interpret that the cestus modifies whatever unarmed strike you may be using, we can say that it simply adds the option for piercing to a monk's unarmed damage, and allows a non-monk to do the same with their unarmed strikes. However, if it's just modifying "your" unarmed strike, and not your damage, and you have Improved Unarmed Strike, you would be doing 1d3 damage per hit. So why, then, would there be any damage stat for the weapon?

By giving a specific weapon damage for the cestus, the Weapons table clarifies that a cestus only modifies the unarmed strike that it provides, and that all (medium-sized) characters would do 1d4 damage with it.


When says "you can have your unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning or piercing damage." and a 10th level monk's unarmed strike is 1d10+ Str. See page 58 of Core Rulebook.


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tony ridlon 0 wrote:

When says "you can have your unarmed strikes deal bludgeoning or piercing damage." and a 10th level monk's unarmed strike is 1d10+ Str. See page 58 of Core Rulebook.

Wrong.

First, Necro thread generally = Bad.

Second, this question is answered by searching the message boards. The developers have specifically errated both brass knuckles and cestus to be light weapons.

If this is not enough for you please see SKR addressing this issue.

In short, the only damage that gets boosted by a monks unarmed strike scaling is the monk's unarmed strike with no weapons used of any type.

Sorry if this is harsh but there have been a lot of simple questions that could have been answered with a five minute board search and thread necros lately.

Grand Lodge

Another quote about the Cestus from SKR here.


From the cestus description it looks like when u use them ur Uaw increases up a size mod

Grand Lodge

No.

They are their own weapon, with their own damage.

Like a Kama, or Quarterstaff.

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