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can you prepare a fireball as a Rime Spell, and admixture it to cold when you cast it to make it work?
I'm mostly wondering for PFS play. I can see arguments for both the sides of
"It's not a cold spell, you can prepare it with the metamagic"
and
"You can prepare it with the metamagic, but the spell doesn't entangle unless you deal cold damage"
Secondary note: If you cannot prepare it, could you reasonably apply a metamagic rod?
"I cast fireball, admixture it to cold, and use my Rod of Rime spell on it"
This last one I would expect to work reasonably well, the first one is certainly a grey area. The feat says it only effects spells with the cold descriptor, but to me that would mean that if you prepared the slot for rime and couldn't make it cold, you either couldn't cast it at all, or simply gained no benefit from the metamagic feat.
You can prepare any spell with the Rime Spell metamagic. It simply has no effect unless the spell has the Cold descriptor, which it gains as soon as you use Versatile Evocation on it.
A way you could get around it is take Heighten Spell and Preferred Spell (fireball). This allows you to spontaneously cast fireball using any spell of 3rd level or higher, and it allows you to attach metamagic feats to your preferred spell.
So you'll be spontaneously casting an admixtured (cold) fireball and since it's cold, attaching Rime spell to it to entangle.
I've currently got a wizard that focuses on Fireball in a Legacy of Fire campaing right now. She's fun, because she's got Magical Lineage (fireball) and Wayang Spellhunter (fireball). Those two traits allows her to attach 2 free levels of Metamagic to her Fireball, effectively letting her fast a 5th level spell out of a 3rd level slot. Currently, she just attaches Rime spell to Fireball to cast cold damaging fireballs at 5th level, but once she gets higher, she'll start making use of Intense Spell, Selective Spell, Heighten Spell, and Dazing Spell. It really all comes together at 15th level with Spell Perfection.
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@Tels, yeah I'm already pretty feat taxed, so taking highten spell is pretty rough.
@mpl do you have a source? I've been trying to find anything to make it definitive either way. All I keep coming to is they just assumed if your spell wasn't cold descriptor it would never be lol.
So there is
Metamagic feats cannot be used with all spells. See the specific feat descriptions for the spells that a particular feat can't modify
which implies that you couldn't modify the spell at all, though I do believe that the spontaneous casting and/or the rod would work just fine.
side note, Spellhunter and Lineage stack... hmm. making burning arc daze in 3rd level slots is pretty exciting.
Spellhunter and Lineage currently stack because both traits grant an untyped bonus. Sure, they come from traits, but one is a regional trait, and the other is a magical trait. Since they are both untyped, (and not actually referred to as trait bonuses like the bonus to critical confirmations from Anatomist is), and from different categories of traits, they both stack.
Will it get errated eventually? More than likely, Jason Bulmahn already said they were going to remove the language that allowed for spell level reduction using these traits (using Merciful Spell for 0-level Shocking Grasp). When they do so, they'll probably outright deny the stacking of these two traits at all.
Will me or my GM care? Not really.
Besides, it's a nifty trick that can only be done to a spell of 3rd level or lower (Wayang Spellhunter is limited to 3rd level or lower spells). So the best you could do, is have two spells, 1 of 3rd level or lower, that get a free +1 Metamagic feat. Oh no! So broken.
Myself, personally, am using it to make Fireball a 'good' spell again. Using those two traits, and Preferred Spell and (eventually) Spell Perfection, and a handful of Metamagic Feats, I'll be able to toss around spells with goo AoE, that deal damage, Entangle, by pass energy resistances, or Daze enemies. It's a Damage and Control spell all wrapped up in one.
Granted, it takes some time to truly become effective, but I'll be able to have fun along the way.
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yeah, I'm not going to try and reduce things below actual spell level.
I think I would go for fireball if I was planning on playing this guy past 12, but the desire to make everything work 2 levels sooner for PFS is probably worth the effort.
here's a link to the build if you're interested in helping out :D. Wizard build
I'm kinda on the fence between toughness and improved initiative. but toughness is cheaper to buy. (belt of con is 4k, and dueling weapon enchant is 18k)