Magical Vestment?

[klatuu]

The wording of the spell reads a suit of armor or shield to get the bonus. So the spell only effects one of the two items correct.

But lets say this. If a cleric were to pray for two magical vestments a day. Could he then cast the spell on both? Or would casting the spell on his shield negate the magical vestment cast on his armor?

As dm for my group im leaning to the you only get one magical vestment effect period. No matter how many you have in your head that day. Its just that OR in the spell description. Maybe its just I had a bad day and I have my evil dm hat on lol.

Thanks for replies.

[Gauss]

Nothing in the spell restricts you to 1 magic vestment at a time. For an example of such wording see the spell 'light'. A cleric casting Magic Vestment on his/her armor and then casting Magic Vestment on his/her Shield is a totally legit use of the spell.

I love the fact that a Cleric can use (2 castings of) Magic Vestment on both armor and shield and then use Greater Magic Weapon on the weapon. Add in a bead of karma and you get a bonus +1 on all 3.

- Gauss

[John Gone 9001]

Two enhancement bonuses, as Magical Vestment contributes, do not stack. Wont matter how many times it is cast, how creatively it is applied, from what source it comes. You can cast the spell as often as you want, the bonuses are only for the first or highest enhancement bonus.

Just to be particular, the wording does say armor OR a shield. Not both.

[Pupsocket]

John Gone 9001 wrote:

Just to be particular, the wording does say armor OR a shield. Not both.

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Per casting. You can benefit from casting it twice.

[John Gone 9001]

Pupsocket wrote:

John Gone 9001 wrote:

Just to be particular, the wording does say armor OR a shield. Not both.

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Per casting. You can benefit from casting it twice.

Fair enough, of course. So we're just down to the rules not supporting the benefit of both applications?

["Devil's Advocate"]

So you can't benefit from a Magic Shied and also a magic set of armor?

Both are Enhancement Bonuses.

[ryric]

The enhancement bonus on an armor or shield doesn't add directly to the bearer's AC - it adds to the armor or shield bonus of the armor.

So a chain shirt with a +3 enhancement bonus has a +7 armor bonus to AC
A heavy shield with a +3 enhancement bonus has a +5 shield bonus to AC

Armor and shield bonuses stack so you're golden.

[DeZrog]

I wanted to clarify the interaction of Magic Vestment in this thread, because I looked around in several places, checked RAW for Magic Armor, and there are some posts that say that magical armor gives extra armor bonus, which is untrue.

The "magical" part of magical armor is an "enhancement bonus", not an armor bonus, so it doesn't stack with Magic Vestment's enhancement bonus. Enhancement bonuses don't stack with each other, but there's a special exception for shields and armor:

Paizo RAW wrote:

Magic Armor bonuses are enhancement bonuses, never rise above +5, and stack with regular armor bonuses (and with shield and magic shield enhancement bonuses).

Paizo RAW wrote:

Shield enhancement bonuses stack with armor enhancement bonuses.

However, Magic Vestment also gives enhancement bonuses:

Magic Vestment spell wrote:

You imbue a suit of armor or a shield with an enhancement bonus of +1 per four caster levels (maximum +5 at 20th level).

You also cannot use Magic Vestment to give armor special abilities unless the spell specifies it specifically (which it doesn't), because you can't create a suit of armor with special abilities without also adding at least +1 enhancement, which doesn't stack with Magic Vestment.

Paizo RAW wrote:

A suit of armor with a special ability must also have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

However, if the armor's enhancement bonus is less than the enhancement bonus provided by Magic Vestment, then you would take the greater of the two bonuses, meaning that if Magic Vestment gave +2 enhancement, and the armor's existing bonus was +1, then you get the better enhancement bonus of +2 (but they don't stack to +3), but the special abilities would still be available.

[Arkat]

DeZrog wrote:

I wanted to clarify the interaction of Magic Vestment in this thread, because I looked around in several places, checked RAW for Magic Armor, and there are some posts that say that magical armor gives extra armor bonus, which is untrue.

The "magical" part of magical armor is an "enhancement bonus", not an armor bonus, so it doesn't stack with Magic Vestment's enhancement bonus. Enhancement bonuses don't stack with each other, but there's a special exception for shields and armor:

Paizo RAW wrote:

Magic Armor bonuses are enhancement bonuses, never rise above +5, and stack with regular armor bonuses (and with shield and magic shield enhancement bonuses).

Paizo RAW wrote:

Shield enhancement bonuses stack with armor enhancement bonuses.

However, Magic Vestment also gives enhancement bonuses:

Magic Vestment spell wrote:

You imbue a suit of armor or a shield with an enhancement bonus of +1 per four caster levels (maximum +5 at 20th level).

You also cannot use Magic Vestment to give armor special abilities unless the spell specifies it specifically (which it doesn't), because you can't create a suit of armor with special abilities without also adding at least +1 enhancement, which doesn't stack with Magic Vestment.

Paizo RAW wrote:

A suit of armor with a special ability must also have at least a +1 enhancement bonus.

However, if the armor's enhancement bonus is less than the enhancement bonus provided by Magic Vestment, then you would take the greater of the two bonuses, meaning that if Magic Vestment gave +2 enhancement, and the armor's existing bonus was +1, then you get the better enhancement bonus of +2 (but they don't stack to +3), but the special abilities would still be available.

11 year necro...nice.

[Azothath]

there are a lot of old posts out there where people can issue their corrective opinion. Most resolved years ago as they were pretty simple and people just stopped posting. This one is not complicated.
Some rules changed so I'm sure those will be a target for those retroactive experts out there...