Sorcerer Spells Question

[Aeroraver]

I've got a question concerning the Sorcerer. It's about the following text:

At each new sorcerer level, she gains one or more new spells, as indicated on Table: Sorcerer Spells Known. (Unlike spells per day, the number of spells a sorcerer knows is not affected by her Charisma score; the numbers on Table: Sorcerer Spells Known are fixed.) These new spells can be common spells chosen from the sorcerer/wizard spell list, or they can be unusual spells that the sorcerer has gained some understanding of through study.

The spells chosen from the sorcerer/wizard spell list are pretty clear to me, but what are the unusual spells that the sorcerer has gained some understanding of through study?

[Quandary]

spells published in another source, like campaign setting material,
or spells made up by the GM for their own setting (or on top of Paizo's)
or spells 'researched' by some players with the GM's interaction/approval...
the sorceror casts spells from the wizard/sorceror list, so if the spell isn't classed as a wiz/sorc spell, no-can-cast-ee...

[Aeroraver]

Quandary wrote:

spells published in another source, like campaign setting material,

or spells made up by the GM for their own setting (or on top of Paizo's)
or spells 'researched' by some players with the GM's interaction/approval...
the sorceror casts spells from the wizard/sorceror list, so if the spell isn't classed as a wiz/sorc spell, no-can-cast-ee...

So it's always from the sorcerer/wizard list, unless it's from a different source(though usually it would list it as a sorcerer/wizard spell?), GM-created or player-creayed spell

Thanks for clearing that up

[Zilkaiden]

Quandary wrote:

spells published in another source, like campaign setting material,

or spells made up by the GM for their own setting (or on top of Paizo's)
or spells 'researched' by some players with the GM's interaction/approval...
the sorceror casts spells from the wizard/sorceror list, so if the spell isn't classed as a wiz/sorc spell, no-can-cast-ee...

I'm actually inclined to disagree with Quandary on this one. The Rulebook states drawn "primarily" from the sorcerer/wizard spell list, whereas every other casting character specifically state "drawn from."

Additionally, in the Magic chapter it states "With permission from the GM, sorcerers and bards can also select the spells they gain from new and unusual spells that they come across while adventuring."

With this, I am inclined to believe that they can learn the spell using the system for Wizard's copying spells into their spellbook or even independent research. As a GM I have, on occasion, allowed elemental sorcerers to learn Produce Flames, from a scroll using the methods that the wizard would.

The text states it is in the hands of the GM, but I believe this is actually in need of clarification from the higher ups.

[wraithstrike]

The reason it is written the way it is, is so that GM's can be encouraged to allow other spells if they wish to, but without GM permission you only get spells that are directly stated to be on the sorcerer class list.

[kronovan]

I'm admittedly new to the game, but from my read of the rules in the core book a Sorcerer with the Use Magic Device skill could use spells from a different spell list via a scroll or a device like a wand. The Use Magic Device is a class skill and is CHA based, so a Sorcerer can be quite effective with it. From what's written in the core rules, it reads like those spells garnered through Use Magic Device don't count against the Sorcerers known spell cap.

As well, it seems that spells read/learned from a scroll with the Spellcraft skill don't count against the cap. As I said, I'm new to the game so I could be wrong about this.