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For a while now, there's been little if anything offered on my chronicle sheets that I couldn't already buy. Am I missing something?
I'm not talking about non standard items, or items from other books and stuff. I've seen lots of core rule book items (stat +2, weapon +2, armor +2) listed for purchase at Tier 8-9. Can't you already purchase all this stuff once you get 27 fame (11,750gp purchase limit)?
And the same with lower tiers. Why mention a pearl of power 1st level on any mid tier chronicle sheet? Since it's so very unlikely to have only 9 fame (1,500gp purchase limit) at 4th level, it seems pointless for pretty much everyone involved.
Why list an item on a chronicle sheet if it can already be purchased by pretty much everyone at that level using their fame purchase limit?
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Simply because it is possible to only have 9 (or less if you fail the whole mission multiple times) by that level. It may seem like a waste of space, but if you end up in the worlds worst groups all the bloody time, it's nice to not be completely and utterly screwed.
If you're scoring that little fame, your character should be dead several times over. Seriously- you have NEVER succeeded at a faction mission by 4th level? I know many adventures have almost impossible faction missions unless you've maxed out the 'blah' skill, but handing out items solely for the 1% (assuming it exists) seems an awful waste of space (literally).
Plus, for newer players it can remind them what they can get. I would never have bought a pearl of power if it had not appeared on a chronicle.
Which is nice. And I even delayed buying some stuff until I found it on a chronicle sheet. But by the time you hit mid tier, you shouldn't be a 'new' player anymore. And again, an awful lot of space dedicated to very, very few.
It wouldn't be so bad if an effort was made to stick just 1 'unbuyable' thing on every chronicle sheet. But so many of them are just totally redundant.
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If you remove 'as a reminder to players' from the table, I'd say role playing mostly. There are players that like to try different role playing gimmicks like a character that tries not to accomplish his faction missions (what motivates the characters varies) while completing the module; or a character that only buys items on that character's chronicle sheet (try it, you'll end up with a pretty unique character).
For the most part though, replacing some of the inventory of regular items with a chart for fame to purchasable item GP value would be pretty convenient. Also putting the chart for profession checks on them would be nice and serve as a reminder to do just that. Heck, I don't even think they'd take up that much room.
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If you're scoring that little fame, your character should be dead several times over.Death is not the only failure condition.
Agree completely.
But it is a likely outcome, which means the chances of never having died after various failed missions becomes very small, very fast.Again, it still seems that the largest space on the chronicle sheet ignores 90%-99% of players a lot of the time.
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To put it simply, those items are there because they have to be.
If it's not listed as "always available," then it has to show on a chronicle sheet. Yeah, a character shouldn't be able to get that far without earning enough Fame. Fact of the matter is that it is possible, wheither or not it should be.
Take the cloak of resistance +1. That baby shows up on so many chronicles it's an inside joke amongst my friends.
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Another thing to keep in mind is that, on occasion, you are going to have lower level PCs playing up, a 2rd level in a sub-tier 4-5 in a Tier 1-5 scenario. Having under 9 Fame is not that unlikely if you just reached third level, with a maximum potential of only 12 Fame, and a potential, if only played in modules, of a cap of only 8 Fame at 6 XP.
Also, remember that some class/faction combos are less likely to be obtaining all (if any) of the faction PP, like Chelaxian Paladins, so having "perfect" Fame is not always going to be possible.
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Keep your eyes on the season 4 chronicles. Paizo has heard the comments about the items on chronicles and say that the items should be more appropriate to the tier in season 4. Meaning that there will be items the you cannot get with your current level of fame.
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Simply because it is possible to only have 9 (or less if you fail the whole mission multiple times) by that level.
Remember, too, that in the very early scenarios you didn't get any Prestige/Fame points for completing the overall mission - the only way to get them was by completing both of your faction missions. So you could end up completing the main mission, and earning the XP, but with no fame award. While still not very likely, it's a little more likely than overall mission failure - some faction missions are impossible to achieve without a particular trained skill, and there's no guarantee that you'll even find all of them even if you do achieve the end goal. And while the party as a whole work together for the main goal, you can't rely on help being available for a faction mission.
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Keep your eyes on the season 4 chronicles. Paizo has heard the comments about the items on chronicles and say that the items should be more appropriate to the tier in season 4. Meaning that there will be items the you cannot get with your current level of fame.
Ah, excellent. Maybe I won't spend all of my gold just yet then. :-)
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Why list an item on a chronicle sheet if it can already be purchased by pretty much everyone at that level using their fame purchase limit?
I'm not saying this is the reason, but it's something they should consider before they stop doing it.
If you play a 7th level pregen, you can apply that chronicle sheet to a new 1st level character with the gold reduced. Unless I missed the part that says otherwise, the items on the chronicle sheet are still valid for purchase when the character scrapes up the gold to buy them.
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Why list an item on a chronicle sheet if it can already be purchased by pretty much everyone at that level using their fame purchase limit?I'm not saying this is the reason, but it's something they should consider before they stop doing it.
If you play a 7th level pregen, you can apply that chronicle sheet to a new 1st level character with the gold reduced. Unless I missed the part that says otherwise, the items on the chronicle sheet are still valid for purchase when the character scrapes up the gold to buy them.
There was a discussion about that, and the PTB says that you DO retain the access. Of course, the prices are usually such that you will have acquired the Fame anyhow before you can afford them, but....
And, thanks to a grandfathered session of The Ruby Phoenix Tournament, I have a 4th level PC with some amazing item access.