Buccaneer Bard - Song of Surrender: Overpowered?


Rules Questions


So, I was using the Buccaneer's Song of Surrender in the Shackles campaign, and we had a disagreement as to a target being immune if he/she succeeds on the save. RAW, the target is not immune to the effect for 24 hours if he/she makes the save; however, it replaces Fascinate, which DOES render the target immune to it for 24 hours if he/she makes the save.

Here's the ability description:
Song of Surrender

A buccaneer of 4th level or higher can use his performance to encourage an enemy to surrender. To be affected, an enemy must be within 30 feet and be able to see and hear the buccaneer’s performance. An affected enemy feels the irresistible urge to drop any held weapons and fall prone. This effect lasts for 1 round—essentially, the affected enemy takes no actions on its next turn other than to lie prone, although it is not considered flat-footed or helpless. A Will saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 the buccaneer’s level + the buccaneer’s Charisma modifier) negates the effect. This ability affects only a single creature. Song of surrender is an enchantment(compulsion), mind-affecting, language-dependent ability and relies on audible components.

What are your thoughts, friends?


Song of Surrender (Su)

A buccaneer of 4th level or higher can use his performance to encourage an enemy to surrender. To be affected, an enemy must be within 30 feet and be able to see and hear the buccaneer’s performance. An affected enemy feels the irresistible urge to drop any held weapons and fall prone. This effect lasts for 1 round—essentially, the affected enemy takes no actions on its next turn other than to lie prone, although it is not considered flat-footed or helpless. A Will saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 the buccaneer’s level + the buccaneer’s Charisma modifier) negates the effect. This ability affects only a single creature. Song of surrender is an enchantment(compulsion), mind-affecting, language-dependent ability and relies on audible components.

This ability replaces suggestion.

What seems to be the issue? It is spelled out very clearly what it does. Don't read into it. It doesn't add the line about being immune for 24 hours, so the target isn't. It replaces SUGGESTION, not Fascinate.

It does not seem overpowered as it is a fairly normal save, only affects the target for one round (and is not helpless or flatfooted). It does also use up the Bards resources.


Does this mean it is similar to suggestion, where during a bardic performance you can use song of surrender as a standard action but otherwise it does not disrupt the bardic performance effect?

or is it a normal performance (like countersong) where it is a standard action that can be maintained as a free action each round thereafter, with the target making a will save each turn in order to stand up from being prone?

or is it a unique bardic performance that must be maintained each round as a standard action?

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Buccaneer Bard - Song of Surrender: Overpowered? All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.