This might be a touch and go Conversion Post.. but I think it's more of a rules question, because I'm trying to cobble together a summoned creature from the Beastiary Preview.
I have a wizard casting Summon Monster III and calling for a Celestial Ape.
So I go to the Bestiary Preview, and take me an offical PFRPG Ape, and I apply the offical PFRPG Celestial Template..
(You're seeing now why I don't think this is a conversion question, because I'm not converting anything from another system)
Celestial Creatures get a Smite Evil power, but it's bonus is based on a Charisma Bonus. But an Ape has a 7 CHA, and the Celestial Template doesn't add any CHA.
So Celestial Apes have no "Smite Evil" ability?
A level 2 Ape with no extra abilities seems a tad weak for a 3rd level spell. Am I mssing something?
This might be a touch and go Conversion Post.. but I think it's more of a rules question, because I'm trying to cobble together a summoned creature from the Beastiary Preview.
I have a wizard casting Summon Monster III and calling for a Celestial Ape.
So I go to the Bestiary Preview, and take me an offical PFRPG Ape, and I apply the offical PFRPG Celestial Template..
(You're seeing now why I don't think this is a conversion question, because I'm not converting anything from another system)
Celestial Creatures get a Smite Evil power, but it's bonus is based on a Charisma Bonus. But an Ape has a 7 CHA, and the Celestial Template doesn't add any CHA.
So Celestial Apes have no "Smite Evil" ability?
A level 2 Ape with no extra abilities seems a tad weak for a 3rd level spell. Am I mssing something?
Nope, it's right. You add the CHA bonus (if any) to the attack roll and AC. Since the Celestial Ape has a negative bonus, you don't add anything to it.
The Ape still get's its 'Paladin Level' added to it's damage when it hits the evil creature it's smiting. For creatures with this, that should be it's Hit Dice. So, if the Ape has 2 Hit Dice, then it adds 2 to all damage against the smited enemy.
I see what the problem is...
I was looking at the Simple Template.
There's going to be more comprehensive "Rebuild" list in the final Bestiary.
Simple Templates are for just "on the fly."
<sigh>
I need me the Bestiary.
Nope, it's right. You add the CHA bonus (if any) to the attack roll and AC. Since the Celestial Ape has a negative bonus, you don't add anything to it.
The Ape still get's its 'Paladin Level' added to it's damage when it hits the evil creature it's smiting. For creatures with this, that should be it's Hit Dice. So, if the Ape has 2 Hit Dice, then it adds 2 to all damage against the smited enemy.
Cross posted. Yeah.. I see the Rebuild Rules are right there after all.
Could you point me to something concerning this Paladin Level as applied to creatures?
Critter Smite Alignment is different from Paladin Smite Evil. For one thing, it doesn't grant an AC bonus or ignore DR. More importantly, it's based off Charisma for the attack bonus (if any; it doesn't go negative) and hit dice (not paladin level) for damage bonus.
Nope, it's right. You add the CHA bonus (if any) to the attack roll and AC. Since the Celestial Ape has a negative bonus, you don't add anything to it.
The Ape still get's its 'Paladin Level' added to it's damage when it hits the evil creature it's smiting. For creatures with this, that should be it's Hit Dice. So, if the Ape has 2 Hit Dice, then it adds 2 to all damage against the smited enemy.
Cross posted. Yeah.. I see the Rebuild Rules are right there after all.
Could you point me to something concerning this Paladin Level as applied to creatures?
Zurai beat me to it, just missed part of it myself.
So, in other words, they do have it, it's just not fantastic.
So, in other words, they do have it, it's just not fantastic.
Yeah, just a little bit of bonus damage once per day.
It was never all that good in 3.5, either. The main reason to summon celestial or fiendish critters was for the DR.
Yeah, just a little bit of bonus damage once per day.
But at least it is no longer just a single round, but the duration of the fight with that specific evil creature.
Yeah, just a little bit of bonus damage once per day.But at least it is no longer just a single round, but the duration of the fight with that specific evil creature.
I havn't looked at the Bonus Bestiary or the Bestiary Previews beyond just a glace; do we know for sure that celestial/fiendish template grants smite for a whole encounter? That seems to be a dramatic increase of the power of summoned creatures, since they're only going to be around for one encounter anyway until the very high levels.
Yeah rules quote:
"Special Attacks smite
evil 1/day as a swift action (adds Cha bonus to attack rolls
and damage bonus equal to HD against evil foes; smite
persists until target is dead or the celestial creature rests)."
So it's there to stay until the creature leaves, rests, or the foe is dead.
Zurai beat me to it, just missed part of it myself.
Yeah, but can someone point this Critter Smite? I'm kinda dense and like to read it over. Helps it sink in.
Zurai beat me to it, just missed part of it myself.Yeah, but can someone point this Critter Smite? I'm kinda dense and like to read it over. Helps it sink in.
Sorry, page 2, bestiary preview I. Extreme bottom of the left column and top 3 lines of right column.
Sorry, page 2, bestiary preview I. Extreme bottom of the left column and top 3 lines of right column.Zurai beat me to it, just missed part of it myself.Yeah, but can someone point this Critter Smite? I'm kinda dense and like to read it over. Helps it sink in.
Ugh, my apologies! I was right there and failed to see it. I guess I never got past the Cha bonus to hit part...