Braid of a Hundred Masters

[Aeshuura]

I have the chronicle for the Braid of a Hundred Masters, but it fits so well for another character. Is there any way that I can have that newer character have access to purchase the said magic item without me running the Scenario for credit?

I would really like to get that item for my monk, because it thematically fits for that character, but the character that obtained the chronicle would never purchase it.

Am I out of luck, or is there some way to purchase it with my monk character?

EDIT: This monk would be the character that I intend to build up and eventually enter the Ruby Phoenix Tournament with, which would just fit the story so well.

[Michael Brock]

You can GM the scenario and apply the Chronicle to your monk. Other than that, there is no way.

[Aeshuura]

Thanks Michael. I was afraid so. It's just luck then when you are a player and get access to items like this. >.<

[Jack-of-Blades]

So even if you get your Fame up to bump up your spending limit, you can only get the item from getting that chronicle sheet, correct?

[Michael Brock]

That's correct. It is a unique item specific to that Chronicle.

[Aeshuura]

Luckily, I love this scenario, so running it should not be a chore. My favorite Kurosawa film is the Seven Samurai, so I channel my best in this one... The only problem is that my friends have already played through this one, so I might try to run Quest for Perfection at PaizoCon on Saturday night and Sunday if I can find some new friends that have not experienced it yet...

[Jack-of-Blades]

That's... Actually really cool. I wonder if I'll get a chance to play or run that before my character that could use it levels out of that range... Hmm...

EDIT: Now, would this perhaps be from part of the Quest for Perfection set, and (if so), do all parts of the set have to be run to get it?

[Aeshuura]

No, you don't have to, but it is a nice run... I actually missed playing part II, but on the final chronicle you get something special if you play all 3.

You wouldn't happen to be going to PaizoCon, would you Jack?

[Aeshuura]

If I wanted to run the Quest for Perfection at PaizoCon, would it be appropriate to post the announcement in the PaizoCon messageboard, or Lodge messageboard?

Alternatively, will there be a physical bulletin board at PaizoCon itself?

[Jack-of-Blades]

I would indeed, unfortunately, I'm already set to run a slew of other scenarios, and even if I stop him now, he'll be 5.2 at the end of the con.

[Jack-of-Blades]

Two of them I could swap out/trade for slots with QfP, but Temple Empyreal is just too good to pass up since it's an Aasimar Temple and I'd be going in with a swashbuckling Tiefling character.

[Jack-of-Blades]

Hmm... Well, if we can convince our FLGS crew to run another high level so we can get that out of the way before the con, I could potentially try to swap out the slots I'm in on Friday and one of the two on Saturday... Hmmm...

[Aeshuura]

Are you going to the banquet? I couldn't get tickets, so I was thinking of running one scenario after dinner, maybe 8-ish, but nothing set in stone. Then Sunday after the 9-2 finishes I could run another... I am not sure when I would be able to squeeze in the third...

EDIT: I am in MagiTek factory, Friday morning; Cyphermage Dilemma, Friday afternoon; then Grand Convocation Friday night, so I don't think Friday is going to work... >.<

[Jack-of-Blades]

Yeah, depending on if we can get a high-level game in on this Friday at our FLGS, I'm in Portal of the Sacred Rune, Storming the Diamond Gate, and the Grand Convocation.

Saturday it's Temple Empyreal then Midnight Mauler, then the Banquet.

I may or may not be staying for Sunday.

[Wraith235]

Michael Brock wrote:

You can GM the scenario and apply the Chronicle to your monk. Other than that, there is no way.

Michael Brock wrote:

That's correct. It is a unique item specific to that Chronicle.

forgive me mike ... but on a different thread regarding this Scenario series I was under the impression that since its boonish (Unique Item to the chronicle that requires participation in the previous 2 Scenarios) that GM's did not gain access to it ...

:

Similar to the Axebeak Companion

not complaining but asking for clarification based the previous post

from the 4.2 changes sticky thread

Michael Brock wrote:

Wraith235 wrote:

Michael Brock wrote:

Wraith235 wrote:

Clarification on what GM's gain from Running mods

the Boon from the final Eye of the Ten mod is an example of one that should be gained

Currently GMs do not receive boons, for good or ill, from GMing a scenario or module. The only exception is when the boon is the only thing on the Chronicle, such as a holiday boon.

I've GMed Eyes of Ten twice and definitely understand your example. I am considering changing the GMs not receiving boons, but at this time, they aren't available.

fair enough ...then I have a question about another scenario ...

3-13 2 Items on the chronicle ...

1 states "as long as you have chronicle sheets for all 3 parts"

and the other is a unique Item specific to the Arc

which of these ... if either ... does the GM Gain from running the scenario

None currently. However, when and if that rule ever changes, the GM would get to choose.

[Michael Brock]

That was my error in that first reply I made that you quoted above. The Braid is an item so can be purchased by the GM. The spoiler you mentioned is a boon as advised by the last sentence of the description.

[Wraith235]

ok cool ... thanks for the clarification

now to hold off running it until the decision about the Zen Archer

[Aeshuura]

Whew, don't scare me like that Wraith! ^_^

[Wraith235]

hey thats why I asked for clarification ... and I only thought to ask because of that conversation ...

and you know what they say ... the only dumb question is the one not asked

Im only glad I was able to find the thread and get the quotes out of it

[CRobledo]

Michael Brock wrote:

That was my error in that first reply I made that you quoted above. The Braid is an item so can be purchased by the GM. The spoiler you mentioned is a boon as advised by the last sentence of the description.

I know it's a bit of a de-rail but, I had posted this question in the scenario's thread and I was wondering if you guys had time to discuss it. The boon in this scenario is worded differently than other boons so my question was:

1. what happens if I GM scenarios 1 and 2, but play scenario 3? Do I get the boon?
2. what happens if I play scenarios 1 and 2, but GM scenario 3? Do i get the boon?

I know the overall rule is GMs don't get boons, but:

Spoiler:

It's not like the boon is earned in the scenario in some way due to actions of your character, which is the case with all other boons

[Michael Brock]

Yes and yes

[CRobledo]

Michael Brock wrote:

Yes and yes

Well then, good to know! I will let our GM for the series know :D

[Jeffrey Fox]

So the only way not to get the boon is to gm all three?

[Wraith235]

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

So the only way not to get the boon is to gm all three?

Since I assume your talking about the braid my interpretation is any combination of running / playing so long as you have all 3 chronicles on the same character you gain the braid

[CRobledo]

Wraith235 wrote:

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

So the only way not to get the boon is to gm all three?

Since I assume your talking about the braid my interpretation is any combination of running / playing so long as you have all 3 chronicles on the same character you gain the braid

Two separate topics (sorry for the confusion):

1. The BRAID is available to any character with the chronicle sheet for part 3, whether it was player or GM credit.

2. The BOON at the top of part 3 (above the braid) is available to any character with all three chronicle sheets. Regardless of whether they got it from GMing or playing.

[Wraith235]

CRobledo wrote:

Wraith235 wrote:

Jeffrey Fox wrote:

So the only way not to get the boon is to gm all three?

Since I assume your talking about the braid my interpretation is any combination of running / playing so long as you have all 3 chronicles on the same character you gain the braid

Two separate topics (sorry for the confusion):

1. The BRAID is available to any character with the chronicle sheet for part 3, whether it was player or GM credit.

2. The BOON at the top of part 3 (above the braid) is available to any character with all three chronicle sheets. Regardless of whether they got it from GMing or playing.

ah I'm not 100% about that ... I would assume that if you GM the 3rd one you are ineligible for the Boon - even if you played the 1st 2 ... that's just a guess thought since I know currently GM's do not receive Boons and the fact that that boon is only on the 3rd one

if it was referenced on the previous parts I could see GM'ing any of them not getting you the boon since you wouldn't qualify for the "Credit boon" theres a blog post somewhere about something similar regarding Wonders in the Weave and Rats of Round mountain

Just dont quote me on that

[CRobledo]

Wraith235 wrote:

ah I'm not 100% about that ... I would assume that if you GM the 3rd one you are ineligible for the Boon - even if you played the 1st 2 ... that's just a guess thought since I know currently GM's do not receive Boons and the fact that that boon is only on the 3rd one

if it was referenced on the previous parts I could see GM'ing any of them not getting you the boon since you wouldn't qualify for the "Credit boon" theres a blog post somewhere about something similar regarding Wonders in the Weave and Rats of Round mountain

That is why I just asked Mike. Note the wording on the boon for Quest for Perfection is very different from WitW and Rats. For QfP, they do not be consecutive, nor is the boon dependent on any actions taken within the scenario itself. It doesn't have a checkbox to the left like a lot of other ones. That is why my suspicion was that this particular boon worked differently, and Mike confirmed above (assuming he read my post correctly, and didn't misinterpret boon for braid :P)

[Wolf Alexander Vituschek]

Another question concerning the Braid:

the GM at my table said that the Item was updated so that non-monk characters also benefit from it.
Is there an updated version of the Chronicle available to download?

[Jason S]

The scenario PDF was updated with the new chronicle.

[Aeshuura]

You would need the GM that you received the original from, to re-download the PDF, and re-fill the new chronicle for you, so that you will have the new version available.

At least that is my understanding.

[Wraith235]

unless you dont care about the Item then it doesnt matter

[Mark Moreland]

If you own the PDF and print the Chronicle sheet out yourself, you can print the updated Chronicle sheet and staple it to the filled out, signed sheet you received when you played the scenario. This way you don't need to go back and forth with your GM to get the updated text added to your character's records.

[Aeshuura]

Thanks Mark! I have a friend that wanted to buy the item, but we have been having trouble contacting the GM to get the updated sheet.

[Aeshuura]

On another note, can a 6th lvl character play in a Tier 1-5, since he is still within 1 level? If that's possible, maybe Jack doesn't need to worry about being out of range for Quest for Perfection?

[Eric Clingenpeel]

No, characters HAVE to be in the tier range, not outside of it.

[kinevon]

Aeshuura wrote:

On another note, can a 6th lvl character play in a Tier 1-5, since he is still within 1 level? If that's possible, maybe Jack doesn't need to worry about being out of range for Quest for Perfection?

Nope, sorry. Tier 1-5 is only for PCs from 1st to 5th level.

Same holds true for all tier ranges.

1 = 1 only
1-5 = 1-5 only
3-7 = 3-7 only
5-9 = 5-9 only
7-11 = 7-11 only
12 = 12 only

Sub-tiers within a tier range are more flexible, although playing too far out of sub-tier is still not good.

[Aeshuura]

Ok, so the "within 1 lvl" rule is for the instance of deciding between playing sub-tiers, correct?

On another note, what is the rule about adding abilities to named items, such as adding amulet of mighty fists abilities to the Braid of a Hundred Masters? I believe that it cannot be done, but I am having trouble finding the post with the specific ruling.

EDIT: Nevermind, found it in the FAQ...

I will have to choose carefully then... ;p

[Eric Clingenpeel]

The within 1 is only used with the sanctioned modules. For scenarios
1) you have to be in the Tier of the scenario
2) you can play up or down, but only one sub-tier. So a 1st level in a (1-7) could play up to (3-4) but not (6-7). While a 3rd level could play down to (1-2) or up to (6-7) and a 7th level char could play down to (3-4) but not (1-2).

[Aeshuura]

Ohhh, okay. I understand now... Thanks for the clarification! Trying to get this straight as I have only just started as PFS GM...

[Eric Clingenpeel]

That's what we're here for. :)

[Jack-of-Blades]

If I miss out on the cool stuff, I miss out on the cool stuff. The PFS locations I play at all stopped running Season 3 in prep for the con, so unless someone wants to swap slots with me when I get to the con, I'm just kinda tough cookies on this one.

But that's really just how things go. You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios you play in with what characters unless all of your characters are in the same level range.

*shrug* Oh well. It's not like he's gonna just die if I don't get the item on him. (It'd just be fun what with making him faster XD)

[Curaigh]

Aeshuura wrote:

Are you going to the banquet? I couldn't get tickets, so I was thinking of running one scenario after dinner, maybe 8-ish, but nothing set in stone. Then Sunday after the 9-2 finishes I could run another... I am not sure when I would be able to squeeze in the third...

EDIT: I am in MagiTek factory, Friday morning; Cyphermage Dilemma, Friday afternoon; then Grand Convocation Friday night, so I don't think Friday is going to work... >.<

I am not going to the banquet, and was hoping for a PFS pick me up. Not sure what level this is, but I dinnae mind playing a pregen if my chars not at the right level :) count me in.

[Aeshuura]

@Curaigh: It's a Tier 1-5. You are welcome to play! Ideally I would like to run all 3 scenarios, but I am trying to find a time to do the third one, unless we blow through 2 scenarios on Saturday night. (Possible, but certainly draining!) ^_^

Of course it also depends if we can find some others that would like to play that series, that haven't played it already. Though I think our chances might be pretty good. My brother will also be there, but I am not sure yet when he plans to head out for home. (It's a 6 hour drive.)

[Jack-of-Blades]

So, just to confirm, you only get the Boon if you have all three chronicles on the same character, but if you only play through the third part you still gain access to purchase the item?

[Wraith235]

the way I see it

Item - Have all 3 chronicles on a particular character in any combination of player or GM Credit

Boon - Have all 3 chronicles on a particular character and YOU have NOT applied GM Credit for part 3

this is how I interpret things ... and I may be wrong ... but this is how I will operate until Mike or Mark say different

[BigNorseWolf]

The braid appears to be a regular item , and only requires the third part.

[Michael Brock]

Wraith235 wrote:

Item - Have all 3 chronicles on a particular character in any combination of player or GM Credit

Boon - Have all 3 chronicles on a particular character and YOU have NOT applied GM Credit for part 3

This

[Wraith235]

Michael Brock wrote:

Wraith235 wrote:

Item - Have all 3 chronicles on a particular character in any combination of player or GM Credit

Boon - Have all 3 chronicles on a particular character and YOU have NOT applied GM Credit for part 3

This

thanks again Mike

[Jack-of-Blades]

Argh, dangit... Guess I won't be getting this on the character that could make good use of the item. Oh well.

[Curaigh]

Aeshuura wrote:

@Curaigh: It's a Tier 1-5. You are welcome to play! Ideally I would like to run all 3 scenarios, but I am trying to find a time to do the third one, unless we blow through 2 scenarios on Saturday night. (Possible, but certainly draining!) ^_^

Of course it also depends if we can find some others that would like to play that series, that haven't played it already. Though I think our chances might be pretty good. My brother will also be there, but I am not sure yet when he plans to head out for home. (It's a 6 hour drive.)

Cool, I'll look for you. 6 hour drive eh? Me too. Where from?