Just a rule clarification


Rules Questions


I am sorry as I seem to constantly mush together my 3.5 and pathfinder facts. When someone crits with a weapon ( any +1 weap with an x2) is the damage shown as:
(1D8)+(1D8)+(weap ench)+(str modifier) or

(1D8+Weap Ench)+(1D8+Weap Ench)+(str mod) or

(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)+(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)

As I read the info on crit, it seems to point to only the die type is actually multiplied.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

The weapon die and all bonus damage is multiplied. Bonus damage dice, like Sneak Attack, are not.

The third expression is correct.

Silver Crusade RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16

mage4fun wrote:

I am sorry as I seem to constantly mush together my 3.5 and pathfinder facts. When someone crits with a weapon ( any +1 weap with an x2) is the damage shown as:

(1D8)+(1D8)+(weap ench)+(str modifier) or

(1D8+Weap Ench)+(1D8+Weap Ench)+(str mod) or

(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)+(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)

As I read the info on crit, it seems to point to only the die type is actually multiplied.

The third option there is correct. You multiply weapon enhancements and Str mods on crits. The only thing you DON'T multiply are precision damage (sneak attack) and related bonuses, such as a bonus to damage from flanking from a trait, etc.


Why wouldn't the damage from a trait get multiplied?

Dark Archive

cartmanbeck wrote:
mage4fun wrote:

I am sorry as I seem to constantly mush together my 3.5 and pathfinder facts. When someone crits with a weapon ( any +1 weap with an x2) is the damage shown as:

(1D8)+(1D8)+(weap ench)+(str modifier) or

(1D8+Weap Ench)+(1D8+Weap Ench)+(str mod) or

(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)+(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)

As I read the info on crit, it seems to point to only the die type is actually multiplied.

The third option there is correct. You multiply weapon enhancements and Str mods on crits. The only thing you DON'T multiply are precision damage (sneak attack) and related bonuses, such as a bonus to damage from flanking from a trait, etc.

Not always correct on the trait damage.

For example, the trait Dirty fighter says this:

Quote:
Dirty Fighter: You wouldn't have lived to make it out of childhood without the aid of a sibling, friend, or companion on whom you could always count to distract your enemies long enough for you to do a little bit more damage than normal. That companion may be another PC or an NPC (who may even be recently departed from your side). When you hit a foe you are flanking, you deal an additional 1 point of damage (this damage is added to your base damage, and is multiplied on a critical hit). This additional damage is a trait bonus.

In fact, the only trait bonus damage that looks like it is not multiplied by a crit is the trait "killer" and it states that it is not.

Silver Crusade RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16

Happler wrote:
cartmanbeck wrote:
mage4fun wrote:

I am sorry as I seem to constantly mush together my 3.5 and pathfinder facts. When someone crits with a weapon ( any +1 weap with an x2) is the damage shown as:

(1D8)+(1D8)+(weap ench)+(str modifier) or

(1D8+Weap Ench)+(1D8+Weap Ench)+(str mod) or

(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)+(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)

As I read the info on crit, it seems to point to only the die type is actually multiplied.

The third option there is correct. You multiply weapon enhancements and Str mods on crits. The only thing you DON'T multiply are precision damage (sneak attack) and related bonuses, such as a bonus to damage from flanking from a trait, etc.

Not always correct on the trait damage.

For example, the trait Dirty fighter says this:

Quote:
Dirty Fighter: You wouldn't have lived to make it out of childhood without the aid of a sibling, friend, or companion on whom you could always count to distract your enemies long enough for you to do a little bit more damage than normal. That companion may be another PC or an NPC (who may even be recently departed from your side). When you hit a foe you are flanking, you deal an additional 1 point of damage (this damage is added to your base damage, and is multiplied on a critical hit). This additional damage is a trait bonus.
In fact, the only trait bonus damage that looks like it is not multiplied by a crit is the trait "killer" and it states that it is not.

Yep, sorry, I was specifically thinking of the "killer" trait as an example of damage that isn't multiplied. So only if damage is specifically listed as "precision damage" is it not multiplied on a critical hit, correct?


cartmanbeck wrote:
Happler wrote:
cartmanbeck wrote:
mage4fun wrote:

I am sorry as I seem to constantly mush together my 3.5 and pathfinder facts. When someone crits with a weapon ( any +1 weap with an x2) is the damage shown as:

(1D8)+(1D8)+(weap ench)+(str modifier) or

(1D8+Weap Ench)+(1D8+Weap Ench)+(str mod) or

(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)+(1D8+Weap Ench+Str Mod)

As I read the info on crit, it seems to point to only the die type is actually multiplied.

The third option there is correct. You multiply weapon enhancements and Str mods on crits. The only thing you DON'T multiply are precision damage (sneak attack) and related bonuses, such as a bonus to damage from flanking from a trait, etc.

Not always correct on the trait damage.

For example, the trait Dirty fighter says this:

Quote:
Dirty Fighter: You wouldn't have lived to make it out of childhood without the aid of a sibling, friend, or companion on whom you could always count to distract your enemies long enough for you to do a little bit more damage than normal. That companion may be another PC or an NPC (who may even be recently departed from your side). When you hit a foe you are flanking, you deal an additional 1 point of damage (this damage is added to your base damage, and is multiplied on a critical hit). This additional damage is a trait bonus.
In fact, the only trait bonus damage that looks like it is not multiplied by a crit is the trait "killer" and it states that it is not.
Yep, sorry, I was specifically thinking of the "killer" trait as an example of damage that isn't multiplied. So only if damage is specifically listed as "precision damage" is it not multiplied on a critical hit, correct?

Thanks everyone, I thought so but wanted clarification and another set of opinions.


Another thing which would not be multiplied is magic weapon bonus dice, such as from flaming, frost, shocking and other enchantments. Bonus damage which is not expressed as dice (such as the +2 enhancement increase from the bane enchantment) are multiplied just as any enhancement bonus would.


For what it's worth, your first example is how the vital strike feat works.

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Just a rule clarification All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.