Hey
I am a new player and i want to make a natural weapon ranger. I have seen some other people's suggestions for nw rangers, but i dont know what to pick. I'm thinking about a character thats a mix of wolverine, conan, sabertooth, and the skaar (the son of the hulk). Also I have to start from level 1.
unless you are using a race with natural weapons, your hand is forced into using the claws from Aspect of the Beast (at level 2). That does open a gateway for Rending and other dirty tricks.
The other (current) option is a Half Orc with either the Toothy Trade out for Orc Ferocity or Razortusk Feat. That does make for an interesting and FUN character build. (Nothing shows commitment to the cause more than Biting as your offensive attack route of choice.)
I imagine that the Advanced Race Guide is going to provide more races with Natural attack options.
Ok cool, I heard about choosing a half-orc, but which is more powerful, the toothy, or the Razortusk feat? And what do you mean by "other dirty tricks"?
In the first round of the first combat of my current campaign, my half orc burst through a door and bit a guy in the neck. None of my party members knew I had a bite, and they've called me The Demon ever since. RP-wise, natural attacks are way more fun.
So which did you pick? Razortusk or Toothy?
So what is the difference between the three?
Also, should I keep orc ferocity and the weapon familiarity?
oh got it
Um, just the basic races right now, the group I'm playing with consist of all new players. But I like the idea of playing a half orc though.
Oni-spawned tiefling... Is it like the tiefling in the bestiary?
Also, if I go with the half-Orc, what three ability scores should I go with?
Ok i like it already
Grappling may be a fun option. You can use bite attacks while grappling an opponent, and if you go for the claws feat you'll always be wielding no weapons for the purpose of grappling. Good times.
So what kind of feats should I go into then for this class?
If your GM will let you take the monster manual feats as regulars (not bonuses), getting Multiattack at 3rd after claws at 2nd seems pretty decent. You're definitely going to want to put your highest stat and racial bonus in STR.
@blackbloodtroll if you're going that route, why bother with Feral Combat training at all? Just make a full attack with unarmed strike kicks and use all nat weapons as secondaries.
But doesn't multiattack acquire three natural attacks?
2 claws (aspect), bite (orc). I count three.
Oops, I was under the impression that bites were secondary unless they were your only natural attack. That not being the case, you don't need multiattack unless you want to add in unarmed strikes.
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Oops, I was under the impression that bites were secondary unless they were your only natural attack. That not being the case, you don't need multiattack unless you want to add in unarmed strikes.
Bite granted by Toothy is primary natural attack. Wording of bite granted by tusked or bite granted by barbarian power animal fury state that they suffer -5 penalty to attack rolls when part of full attack - which may mean that they are secondary attacks or be just misleading reminder that natural weapons used with manufactured weapons become secondary attacks.
Another naturally biting race: kuru.
What about going into monk? Would feral combat style allow flurry of blows to work with natural weapons?
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So here are my stat roles:
18
18
17
16
15
13
Suggestions?
Woah, you rolled well.
Sadly, I wouldn't know how to place those.
Str 18 --> no explanation needed, I guess
Dex 17 --> higher ini, higher boost to armor class, Dex-based skills like Stealth and Acrobatics, Ref save; might boost later by stat increase
Con 18 --> more hp, more rounds raging, Fort save
Int 13 --> +1 skill point, qualify for some combat manouvers
Wis 16 --> higher Perception, Will save (you do not want to be dominated considering your damage output)
Cha 15 --> Intimidate is a class skill after all
Ruyan.
So here are my stat roles:
18
18
17
16
15
13
Suggestions?
STR 18
DEX 18CON 16
INT 15
WIS 17
CHA 13
Would be my suggestion.
Also, look at all the avatars from post 1 and pretend they are having a typical goblinoid discussion.
Ok so I have two races: half Orc or Oni spawn tiefling
Two different stat builds
But what feat should I have for level one? Weapon focus(claws)?
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I suggest these ability scores:
STR 18
DEX 16
CON 18
INT 13
WIS 15
CHA 17
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Now, you may ask: "Why should I have a 17 in CHA?" Well, it's needed for the Eldritch Heritage Line.
If you have the room for the Eldritch Heritage feat line (considering there isn't much to pick up for a Natural Weapon Ranger). This can net you a bonus to natural armor, a +6 bonus to STR, and the ability to grow in size, further increasing STR and CON (assuming you take the Orc Bloodline, which seems obvious for a Half-orc. As for your first level feat, pick up Skill Focus:(Survival). You need this as a prerequisite to picking up the Eldritch Heritage feats.
If you're not deadset on playing a pure ranger, I'd suggest picking up levels in Barbarian. If you only plan on taking a few, get at least 2 levels, and pick up the Lesser Fiend Totem rage power, which gives you a natural Gore attack for 1d8+STR mod damage during rages (totalling your natural attacks to 4 with claws and a bite). However, if you decide to invest more, go for 10 levels and pick up the Beast Totem rage power line, which will allow you to make full attacks on a charge during rages (Pounce). In either case, the only levels of ranger I would suggest you take is 2, to get permanent claw attacks via Aspect of the Beast.
Also, consider using unarmed strikes (through kicking) in your full attacks with your natural weapons, as both benefit from an Amulet of Mighty Fists. In which case, pick up the Multi-attack feat (to reduce your attack penalties on natural weapons made in conjunction with manufactured weapons/ unarmed strikes) and Two-weapon fighting feat (to increase the total amount of attacks you get in a full attack).
These are all separate suggestions, and haven't really been weighed in conjunction with one another.
Whoa that the fullest ansewer anyone has given me so far
But wait, it says for eldritch heritage that i can only get the first level ability of that bloodline. How do I get the other powers that you talked about?
EDIT: Nevermind found it.
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Shapeshifter archetype ranger Oni-spawn, with a 2 level dip after 3rd into Barbarian to grab Lesser Fiend totem. At level 5, you can have 4 attacks with a +10 to strength. The dragon style and dragon ferocity with feral combat training will add x2 strength to first claw, and x1.5 strength on the second claw.
what form do i begin with though?
Lizardfolk for a race?
hey can you actually show me the full abilities or at least give me an idea of what an oni spawn can do? Just cuz i cant get the blood of fiends.
how many times can you use alter self?
Ok im thinking about sticking with the half-orc, but thanks for the suggestion about the oni spawn
Personally I'm saving the natural weapon ranger for a DM that will let me play some sort of lycanthrope, either rat for an urban campaign, or wolf for a standard one. I just dont like most of the other natural weapon options.
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