Lhaksharut inevitables and the Worldwound


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Is there any information on what lhaksharut inevitables are doing about the Worldwound?

Lhaksharut (the CR 20 inevitables from Bestiary 2) are charged with preventing planes from forming permanent connections with other planes. I kind of think they'd consider the Worldwound a major issue to be dealt with.

Has this been addressed anywhere?

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Since the Worldwound's been around for about 3 or 4 times as long as the lhaksharut has been, and since we've not done much with the Worldwound since we invented the lhaksharut...

... nohting's been said yet. There are likely some lhaksharut involved in opposing the Worldwound, but there's not a LOT of lhaksharuts to go around, and there's more than just the Worldwound on their radar.

AKA: They won't be much of a help for now. It's still up to the Inner Sea region to handle the Worldwound.


Maybe for some inscrutable reason they deem the Worldwound to be lawful intrusion of one plane on another. Or part of natural order and not intrusion at all... Maybe some demon lord tricked inveitables into ruling that the Worldwound has right to be? Maybe it was judged to be repayment for some unknown intrusion from material plane to Abyss?

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My guess is they're locked in some excruciatingly long-winded, technical, mathematically brilliant and highly democratic method of voting on whether they should deal with the Worldwound issue above other matters requiring their attention.

If a party of adventurers can adventure into the Worldwound and bring back first-hand evidence of the cosmologically dire threat that the WW represents (other than demons just stealing a few hundred mortal souls every year) then maybe they can get the Lhaksharut to get a move on?

The other option is that there's some ancient political agreements or oaths between the Demons and the Inevitables that make it a bad idea to suddenly start hitting the Worldwound hard. For instance, Golarion could be an area of medium conflict at the moment, but if a platoon of Inevitables appears, the Demonic forces would similarly increase their forces until the entire area becomes a planar battle zone, killing thousands of nearby mortals who've been forcibly enlisted into the planar conflict. One potential is that Angelic or Inevitable forces know that the demons have the ability to 'flood' the WW if they show their cards, so currently they have to fund mortal soldiers and pray that the mortals can turn the tide.


James Jacobs wrote:

Since the Worldwound's been around for about 3 or 4 times as long as the lhaksharut has been, and since we've not done much with the Worldwound since we invented the lhaksharut...

... nohting's been said yet. There are likely some lhaksharut involved in opposing the Worldwound, but there's not a LOT of lhaksharuts to go around, and there's more than just the Worldwound on their radar.

AKA: They won't be much of a help for now. It's still up to the Inner Sea region to handle the Worldwound.

Alright, thanks. I don't read everything I buy in entirety, thought I might have just missed something.

Well, anyway, it will be something cool for the future then.

I like to imagine the Worldwound would be even worse today if it weren't for existing lhaksharut involvement. (Just because they didn't exist doesn't mean they weren't out there saving the Prime anonymously.)

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Wolf Munroe wrote:

Is there any information on what lhaksharut inevitables are doing about the Worldwound?

Lhaksharut (the CR 20 inevitables from Bestiary 2) are charged with preventing planes from forming permanent connections with other planes. I kind of think they'd consider the Worldwound a major issue to be dealt with.

Has this been addressed anywhere?

I think "major issue" is probably a relative term when it comes to the efforts of inevitables (and, by extention, aeons and other task-oriented planar races). They've got all of near-infinity to deal with, a few dozen planes, then all of the galaxies on the Material Plane. With such in mind, most of their attentions are likely on the Outer Planes, where creatures like proteans and demons and qlippoth actively attempt to erode the edges of stable realms, undermining realms whose destruction could throwing the entire cycle of life, death, and existence for the entire multiverse into disorder and dissolution. And this is to say nothing of just stray extrapalanar abnormalities, like a gate to the plane of Fire tearing open in the middle of the Boneyard. In the face of planes twisting plots and the natural disasters that afflict the outer planes, the destruction of a single Material Plane solar system, much less planet, much less continent, much less country, likely hasn't risen to "front burner" status for them.

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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
In the face of planes twisting plots and the natural disasters that afflict the outer planes, the destruction of a single Material Plane solar system, much less planet, much less continent, much less country, likely hasn't risen to "front burner" status for them.

Except this particular planet holds the mighty Rovagug imprisoned beneath its crust. I can't imagine a festering abscess on the face of the planet is helping the stability of 'The Cage'.

Not sure where his power level fits in on a cosmic scale, but I'd imagine he's a major player for chaos. Akin to the Tarrasque on Golarion.


I'm guessing that one reason the Worlwound hasn't already spread across Golarion is inevitables fighting in its core.maybe they helped with the creation of the wardstones.

And since they cant plane shift, maybe oneof them is waiting for a human to gate a few of them in...

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SirGeshko wrote:

Except this particular planet holds the mighty Rovagug imprisoned beneath its crust. I can't imagine a festering abscess on the face of the planet is helping the stability of 'The Cage'.

Not sure where his power level fits in on a cosmic scale, but I'd imagine he's a major player for chaos. Akin to the Tarrasque on Golarion.

Well, you're not wrong about that. Though it does raise the question of who knows that information. Does Joe Inevitable know Rovagug is imprisoned in Golarion? Unclear. And if they do, do they consider it their job to keep him shut in? With all the other chaos in the multiverse, also unclear. And, if they do, do they have any interest in making sure the mortal realms upon the planet are not disrupted? Certainly not.

Even with Rovagug in the mix, a little rust around his cage's edges (the World Wound) is not going to send the arbiters of multiversal order running. Things would have to be far worse to cause them to intervene.

So for now, it's up to heroes on Golarion to fight the Worldwound. By the time the inevitable cavalry arrives, much of what makes Golarion (or, at the very least, the Inner Sea) what it is, will be burnt to cinders.

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Actaully... Rovagug's prison is located in a demiplane that is itself accessible only through a portal at the core of the world.

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*intrigued*
Does Golarion have a liquid molten core?
If so, how much fire damage does the core of the planet it deal per round?
Does intense, crushing pressure deal bludgeoning damage?
If so, how much?

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I'd be surprised if Golarion didn't have a hollow earth scenario going on, since that's just too much fun not to deal with.

That said, I'd think the lhaksharut are more ounce-of-prevention-is-worth-a-pound-of-cure guys who think it's more important to stop small breaches from becoming large ones than focusing all their efforts on stuffing a giant cork into Krakatoa. Basically an army of little dutch boys looking for dikes to stick their fingers into.

The World Wound, as awful as it is, is relatively stable--something which must chafe the Abyss no end, since nothing says chaos like a known location and dimensions.

Fixing it? Well, the last one was formed when a god died. Presumably a new god being born could fix it, so the lhaksharut might be maneuvering a likely candidate towards the Test of the Starstone with his/her first miracle being the healing of the World Wound and either founding a new kingdom or restoring the old one.

Alternately, it may need to be lanced like a boil, releasing enough demons to relieve the pressure and allow it to be healed. Or, and this would be sneaky but sensible, the lhaksharut could work to enlist the help of someone who could fix this problem by making it her problem. If they shored up the World Wound on three sides such that the demons would do a mass invasion to the Realm of the Mammoth Lords then go thundering straight on through to Irrisen? Imagine how cross Baba Yaga would be to come back and find that her beautiful winterland was crawling with pesky demons. She'd soon put a stop to that. Sure, she might keep a few frost demons around if they amuse her, but they'd hate her iron fist, and she'd go sew the World Wound back up with her most potent witchcraft.

Admittedly this would mean Baba Yaga tripling the size of her realm, but so long as it didn't feature a permanent planar rift, the lhaksharut wouldn't much care.

This assumes Baba Yaga is a match for the Abyss, but given her reputation, I think that's a safe bet to make.


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NoNoNoNooNoNoN! The beautiful-horrific-oh-so-transient-bottled breach of the WorldWound needs nothing of the axiomite puppets of steel and stone shackled to dance and fight. The little ones of the Abyss dancing on the windowsill of this world all pitterpatterpitterpatter need nothingarenothingno no trouble at all. We watch them play/dance/cavort/devour/die and nothing is amiss save perception that it will last. nothing lasts. permenance is the only flaw here marring the reflections of a beautiful stone ringed around by wardings and aflush with demons and other misguided abyssal things all pitterpatterpitterpatter

pitterpatterpitterpatter

pitterpatterpitterpatterSPLAT!

Singing the songSONG of making/unmaking/beautiful things the demons in their deafness/arrogance/impurity/brokenlittlethingstakepity have more to worry about than Ihaksharut.

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If so, how much fire damage does the core of the planet it deal per round?
Does intense, crushing pressure deal bludgeoning damage?
If so, how much?

Read this free guide for all your answers: Fire and Brimstone

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KestlerGunner wrote:

*intrigued*

Does Golarion have a liquid molten core?
If so, how much fire damage does the core of the planet it deal per round?
Does intense, crushing pressure deal bludgeoning damage?
If so, how much?

Yes.

20d6 per round of immersion.
Yes. On the order of thousands of d6s.

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Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
I'd be surprised if Golarion didn't have a hollow earth scenario going on, since that's just too much fun not to deal with.

Golarion does have "hollow earth" elements to it, but they're not at the core of the world. They're down in Orv, in places like Deep Tolguth.

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James Jacobs wrote:
Actaully... Rovagug's prison is located in a demiplane that is itself accessible only through a portal at the core of the world.

Yeah. I know. But I think that's semantic for the purposes of whether or not or when inevitables are going to get involved in this conflict. Demons getting a hold of either the giant Material Planar nugget holding THE bound god-monster, or the giant Material Planar nugget holding the door to THE bound god-monster's house (read: god-locked prison, but still) probably seems damn-similar to the otherworldly spiritrobots who worry about such things.

...and results in the people of Golarion facing the same unfortunate mass burnination before the ur-robos get worried enough to do a thing about it.


Sounds like an epic AP to me!

A trimvurate of Lhaksharut have been tasked with dealing with the Worldwound. They are nothing if not calculating, so they have bid their time. Observing, experimenting, measuring the ebb and fall of humanity around the Worldwound. In fact, they have always been there. Watching. Some say even before it first cracked. Before Aroden's death, they knew.

They have come up with an elegant solution: An appeasement to the demonic hordes. An appeasement to Rovagug, the devourer. A singular, stunning loss of life -- horrendously momentous to the tiny planet of Golarion, but cosmical insignificant -- would be enough to cause a minute ripple through the planar angles, just to change the balance and seal the Worldwound for good.

However, humanity has let the wound fester. And thus, the triumvirate have decided to take matters into their own efficient minds. They will help expand the Worldwound. To help it buckle and stretch across Ustalav and Mendev. Letting it grow in the short term will lead to its eventual demise as world spread across the globe and the peoples of Golarion flock to defend themselves. And then, unknowning pawns, their lives will be forfeit for the sake of all.

That is, unless some intrepid adventurers uncover the Lhaksharuts' motives before Avistan is decimated.

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F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


So for now, it's up to heroes on Golarion to fight the Worldwound. By the time the inevitable cavalry arrives, much of what makes Golarion (or, at the very least, the Inner Sea) what it is, will be burnt to cinders.

It's also likely that "burn to cinders" would be the Inevitable's method of dealing with the situation.


Coridan wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:


So for now, it's up to heroes on Golarion to fight the Worldwound. By the time the inevitable cavalry arrives, much of what makes Golarion (or, at the very least, the Inner Sea) what it is, will be burnt to cinders.
It's also likely that "burn to cinders" would be the Inevitable's method of dealing with the situation.

Not sure if that method would work on a portal to the Abyss though.

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