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Kajehase wrote:
List of things gay marriage apparently leads to.

lesbian queen! LESBIAN QUEEN!!!!!!


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Her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second has signed legislation making gay marriage legal in England and Wales... It doesn't cover Scotland (and i am not sure about Northern Ireland) due to the way the governing bodies of the United Kingdom are set up.


Dale McCoy Jr wrote:

Good day everyone.

I just wanted to let everyone on this thread know that in the Book of Beasts: Legendary Foes (released yesterday) we included Libet Deity of the Inner Self. Libet is a true neutral transgender demigod. One of the cult members described in the write up is a LN half-orc monk cleric that underwent a polymorph to change genders.

Everyone at Jon Brazer Enterprises are big supporters of the LGBT community and we want you to know that we stand with you.

Dale C. McCoy, Jr
Jon Brazer Enterprises

...lovely sentiment, but I have to say: if I want ads popping up, I can always go to Facebook.

I went to your profile here, looking to PM you, but you've (apparently) opted out of PM.

I clicked on your website link, and spent several minutes trying to find a contact link... no dice.

In any case, and speaking for myself (not anybody else here) using a statement of support to try to cover a shameless plug for your new release just oozes sincerity... not. I, for one, don't enjoy finding ad copy here, and forgive me if I have to doubt your fig leaf of "support."

There are forums designated and designed for promoting products like yours: this isn't one of them.

President, Jon Brazer Enterprises

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Cheeseweasel wrote:
I went to your profile here, looking to PM you, but you've (apparently) opted out of PM.

*goes to setting to double check* Nope, I can receive PM. And I do have a number of PMs in my inbox and sent messages.

Cheeseweasel wrote:
I clicked on your website link, and spent several minutes trying to find a contact link... no dice.

On the About page on my website right next to my name, it says "contact" with an email link that to me.

Cheeseweasel wrote:

In any case, and speaking for myself (not anybody else here) using a statement of support to try to cover a shameless plug for your new release just oozes sincerity... not. I, for one, don't enjoy finding ad copy here, and forgive me if I have to doubt your fig leaf of "support."

There are forums designated and designed for promoting products like yours: this isn't one of them.

I am sorry you feel that way. And you are correct, it was a shameless plug and I did forget to put a:

[/shamelsss plug]
tag after the post as I should have. For that I am sorry as well.

However, my sincerity is nothing short of complete and total. I got ridiculed plenty when I was young because many of my fellow classmates believed I was gay. I have had a decent number of conversations with my parents where they were upset at me for not telling them that I was gay. It basically comes down to the person I am pings everyone's gaydar (forgive me if that is a pejorative, I have not kept up on the terminology). Heck, a gay friend of mine in college once called me the "closet hertosexual." I understand the bigotry and the rejection that many in the LBGT community experience because to this day I get it as well, despite being straight. So yes, I am a straight ally of the community. From where I sit, your fight for equality is my fight as well.

So whenever I heard about last year's GenCon "Queer as a Three Sided Die" seminar where no one could give an example of a transgender character anywhere in a single published roleplaying book, I was stunned. But then I realized I could use my "powers of publishing" for good. So I went to work. I asked two different transgender friends of mine for what they would like to see and the core idea of what I wrote is theirs. I don't want a transgender gamer to say again, "I have no one in my favorite hobby that I can identify with." Never again.

One of the few things I can do to help advance the cause of the LBGT community is publish material to speaks to them. So that is what I do. It is not my first nor will it be my last. If you do not want such a product promoted here, I can understand that and will respect that in the future.


Kajehase wrote:
List of things gay marriage apparently leads to.

Yeah,we had the same kind of bull***** in france a few months ago, I'm still amazed they didn't prophetize an alien invasion!!!

Gay marriage has been a boon for all kinds of conservatives allowing them to band against what they call the "gay intelligensia"!
But now, a few months after the law was voted things seem to cool down, hope it will be the same for you, my english cousins!


Freehold DM wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
List of things gay marriage apparently leads to.
lesbian queen! LESBIAN QUEEN!!!!!!

A lesbian queen singing "dancing queen"?


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Dale, I appreciate you explaining the why behind the product. I have a much better appreciation for your perspective after that. It comes across more sincere and less like an advertising gimmick. I think that was the problem, not that you were giving the product a shout-out. Not that I speak for anyone but myself. :)


mogwen wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
List of things gay marriage apparently leads to.
lesbian queen! LESBIAN QUEEN!!!!!!
A lesbian queen singing "dancing queen"?

Reminds me of the ending of Jekyll And Hyde Together Again...

Contributor

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Dale McCoy Jr wrote:
One of the few things I can do to help advance the cause of the LBGT community is publish material to speaks to them. So that is what I do. It is not my first nor will it be my last. If you do not want such a product promoted here, I can understand that and will respect that in the future.

It's a greatly appreciated stance Dale. Having even a single transgendered character in a game, book, or RPG when I was growing up would have been awesome, just for the tacit acknowledgement that they existed and that you weren't completely alone.

In my own experience that representation was pretty much invisible for most of my life when I was younger except for the occasional exploitative cameo that was used for comic relief rather than a dignified appearance just the same as any other character of whatever example demographic.

Paizo has been doing an amazing job for the whole LGBT spectrum, and anyone else willing to do the same just gets cool points in my book, and a healthy dose of serious respect.

President, Jon Brazer Enterprises

@Lynora and Todd: Thank you.

Dark Archive

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Freehold DM wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
List of things gay marriage apparently leads to.
lesbian queen! LESBIAN QUEEN!!!!!!

Lesbian Queen? I thought Freddie Mercury was a boy?


Set wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
List of things gay marriage apparently leads to.
lesbian queen! LESBIAN QUEEN!!!!!!

Lesbian Queen? I thought Freddie Mercury was a boy?

So did his parents...


Guys, I found some photographs on this internet-thing.

Stonewall Riots

Gay Pride in Philadelphia, 1972.


Stonewall Uprising

Vive le Galt!


Kajehase and Don Juan, thank you for this great moment of history!!!
When sometimes you think the outside world is hostile, just remember how it was for those guys and girls and the strength and courage they had to face the world and the people who hated them for who they were.

Thank you.

And...Vive le Galt?!


"Straights for gays" and "hi mom guess what" are my two favorite signs.


Vive le Galt!

Don't believe Paizo's counterrevolutionary lies!

President, Jon Brazer Enterprises

I would like to apologize for my reaction the other day. Even though I did feel insulted by a comment directed towards me, it is no excuse for my disproportional and very public response. So to the whole community, I would like to apologize.

Silver Crusade

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While on vacation in Portland, OR, last week, my boyfriend and I celebrated 1 year since our first date. How time flies!

We went out for a nice dinner and checked into a wonderful bed & breakfast for the night. It was an old mansion that had been converted to a B&B. It was beautifully restored and we had a gorgeous room with a breezy balcony. The proprietor was himself a gay man and when we showed up for breakfast he lit up and wanted to chat with us.

It was an awesome trip all around, but I wanted to share that bit!

Editor

Congratulations, Celestial Healer!

Also, for anyone in the Seattle area, there's a reading of LGBTQ sci fi and fantasy at 7pm on Thursday at the UW Book Store! Details here.


Friend of mine (and one of my players) has her novel published. While she is straight, the story contains male/male pairing.

Those yaoi fans... ;)


New pope asks "who am I to judge" gay people.


There is a good iO9 article on same sex marriages being allowed by the early church right up until the 13th Century... I can't link it as I am on my phone.

Sovereign Court

The 8th Dwarf wrote:
There is a good iO9 article on same sex marriages being allowed by the early church right up until the 13th Century... I can't link it as I am on my phone.

LINK


Wooooow....


Thanks IQ....

Very Wow up until the 1200's men could marry men then all of a sudden it got stomped on..

Doesn't mean the church were any less dickish cause they still murdered you if you worshipped god the wrong way or the wrong god.... The Cathars for example.


Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:

Vive le Galt!

Don't believe Paizo's counterrevolutionary lies!

As a french guy I can only feel sympathy with the Galtan revolution!

We did it a few hundred years ago.
just keep away from those nasty final blades and guys whose faces are hidden by grey scarves, even if you wear one yourself!


The 8th Dwarf wrote:

Thanks IQ....

Very Wow up until the 1200's men could marry men then all of a sudden it got stomped on..

Doesn't mean the church were any less dickish cause they still murdered you if you worshipped god the wrong way or the wrong god.... The Cathars for example.

The idea that Christianity has had one, unified stand on anything consistently enforced for two thousand years is pretty difficult to sustain unless you generalize it to the point of triviality and include something like "Jesus was a way cool dude."

But that said, I understand Boswell was fairly upfront about the ambiguity of some of his sources. It can be very hard to determine if they refer to some kind of romantic friendship where two heterosexuals talked about one another as though they were knocking boots, or if they were really knocking boots. Or, of course, if they in public behaved as though they were just friends but in private they really got it going on. I actually have the book somewhere, but only got a few pages in before something else came up circa 1998. I guess he died before he could answer a lot of the criticisms.

The whole matter is also wrapped up in how appropriate it is to call historical people gay, since they would not have used the term themselves. I think that's a bit overwrought. We have little trouble calling historical figures racists, misogynists, or various other terms that they would not recognize or even reject. Why should gay be such a suspect case?

Short version: it's complicated, and not just by the predictable elements. But yes, people in the past could be much more broad-minded than we would expect. They could also, often at the same time, be just as brutally horrible as we would expect. Kind of like us, except when very different.


It is interesting how broad and narrow minded at the same time people could be at various points in history.

I remember having a conversation with my uncle about the status of gay men in the late Victorian into the Edwardian period. Talking about chums and pals and all that, both my uncles partner and I thought he was romanticising things, we pointed out that class and location had a major effect on the level of oppression. That it also required the ability to fly under the radar and to balance talent and socialy acceptable behaviour - Oscar Wilde being a case in point.

I don't have enough conversations with my uncles (they have been togther for about 30 years) they are both usually overseas or too busy to do lunch of a weekend.

It's funny we had our first child my uncles said ok now you are going to tell us what our responsibilities are and what we need to do... I said are you guys after a manual because we didn't get a parenting one :-) Then I said you guys just have to be as awesome to our kids as you were to me... Bring them the same books you brought me, tell them about your trips to Paris and Rome and Morroco, discuss art and music and politics, challenge them on thier opinions, and make them laugh as much you made me laugh.


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Just found out my friends are engaged to be married! They made their own green lantern engagement rings!!!!!!!

Silver Crusade

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The 8th Dwarf wrote:

It is interesting how broad and narrow minded at the same time people could be at various points in history.

I remember having a conversation with my uncle about the status of gay men in the late Victorian into the Edwardian period. Talking about chums and pals and all that, both my uncles partner and I thought he was romanticising things, we pointed out that class and location had a major effect on the level of oppression. That it also required the ability to fly under the radar and to balance talent and socialy acceptable behaviour - Oscar Wilde being a case in point.

I don't have enough conversations with my uncles (they have been togther for about 30 years) they are both usually overseas or too busy to do lunch of a weekend.

It's funny we had our first child my uncles said ok now you are going to tell us what our responsibilities are and what we need to do... I said are you guys after a manual because we didn't get a parenting one :-) Then I said you guys just have to be as awesome to our kids as you were to me... Bring them the same books you brought me, tell them about your trips to Paris and Rome and Morroco, discuss art and music and politics, challenge them on thier opinions, and make them laugh as much you made me laugh.

Being a gay uncle is a big responsibility. *nods seriously*

(I'm probably slacking.)

(And how's this for a rub: My nieces and nephews all appear to be more attached to my boyfriend than they are to me...)

Liberty's Edge

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Speaking of being a gay uncle (well... a queer aunt, but whatever), here's a story about my nephew that made me smile.

My nephew is in second grade I believe. He got his ear pierced a few years ago because he thought it was really cool. Apparently recently he's been bullied by some older kids who were making fun of his earring--y'know, the usual stuff... having your ear pierced on that side means you're gay or some nonsense. He couldn't really fight back against them though because they were older kids who were quite bigger than him. (Bloody cowards.)

He was upset, obviously, but what he said to my sister made me smile:

"But it doesn't make any sense. What's so bad about being gay anyway? I mean, Aunty <Alice> is. Why are they saying that?"

I guess the best thing a gay uncle (or whatever) can do for their nephews and nieces is to teach them respect and love like this!


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(And how's this for a rub: My nieces and nephews all appear to be more attached to my boyfriend than they are to me...)

After they saw him once? Either he gets benefits of being a novelty or you are indeed slacking :P

Silver Crusade

Drejk wrote:
Quote:
(And how's this for a rub: My nieces and nephews all appear to be more attached to my boyfriend than they are to me...)
After they saw him once? Either he gets benefits of being a novelty or you are indeed slacking :P

Possibly a combination of the two :)

Plus, he does magic tricks.


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Celestial Healer wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Quote:
(And how's this for a rub: My nieces and nephews all appear to be more attached to my boyfriend than they are to me...)
After they saw him once? Either he gets benefits of being a novelty or you are indeed slacking :P

Possibly a combination of the two :)

Plus, he does magic tricks.

Mass charm youngster?

Must be some sort of fairy magic! ;)

Silver Crusade

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Freehold DM wrote:
Just found out my friends are engaged to be married! They made their own green lantern engagement rings!!!!!!!

You just know how their Vows will start. : )

'In brightest day, in blackest night....!'


Freehold DM wrote:
Just found out my friends are engaged to be married! They made their own green lantern engagement rings!!!!!!!

That is so cool.


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Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Just found out my friends are engaged to be married! They made their own green lantern engagement rings!!!!!!!

You just know how their Vows will start. : )

'In brightest day, in blackest night....!'

they better!


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Celestial Healer wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Quote:
(And how's this for a rub: My nieces and nephews all appear to be more attached to my boyfriend than they are to me...)
After they saw him once? Either he gets benefits of being a novelty or you are indeed slacking :P

Possibly a combination of the two :)

Plus, he does magic tricks.

You never did any magic tricks for me! I want to hang out with him to now!


Celestial Healer wrote:


Being a gay uncle is a big responsibility. *nods seriously*

(I'm probably slacking.)

(And how's this for a rub: My nieces and nephews all appear to be more attached to my boyfriend than they are to me...)

There is a certain level of Fabulousness that you need to maintain.


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Fabulousness combined with magic tricks made me think how great would be sir Ian McKellen doing magic tricks...

And then I recalled that he played Gandalf.

Liberty's Edge

In the leadership debate tonight here in Australia, not only did we actually have a question about marriage equality come up alongside other big national issues, but the incumbent Prime Minister promised to bring a bill forward within the first 100 days of his government, if re-elected.

This election is a nail-biter as to who'll win, and if the Opposition doesn't allow a conscience vote as well, there's no way such a legislation would pass... but I'm allowed to be cautiously hopeful, right?


Alice Margatroid wrote:

In the leadership debate tonight here in Australia, not only did we actually have a question about marriage equality come up alongside other big national issues, but the incumbent Prime Minister promised to bring a bill forward within the first 100 days of his government, if re-elected.

This election is a nail-biter as to who'll win, and if the Opposition doesn't allow a conscience vote as well, there's no way such a legislation would pass... but I'm allowed to be cautiously hopeful, right?

I hope for you all, my australian friends, that everything will be alright.

The world is changing, the time is now!


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Outside the Russian embassy in Stockholm.


Alice Margatroid wrote:

In the leadership debate tonight here in Australia, not only did we actually have a question about marriage equality come up alongside other big national issues, but the incumbent Prime Minister promised to bring a bill forward within the first 100 days of his government, if re-elected.

This election is a nail-biter as to who'll win, and if the Opposition doesn't allow a conscience vote as well, there's no way such a legislation would pass... but I'm allowed to be cautiously hopeful, right?

Sadly I don't like Kevin's chances. Tony has Murdoch on his side and the media are going to support the conservatives. We will be going back to the 1950's under Tony in relation to gender, races, and sexuality.


<-- is repeatedly dismayed by the fact that "has Murdoch on his side" remains a boon in politics.


Kajehase wrote:
<-- is repeatedly dismayed by the fact that "has Murdoch on his side" remains a boon in politics.

Having cash and obedient barkers is still a boon in politics...

Liberty's Edge

I don't like Rudd's chances either, hence why I'm only "cautiously" hopeful. The very idea of PM Abbott makes me shudder.

I wish those media laws had gotten through. We desperately need it. :/

I also wish Murdoch would just eff off somewhere.


Alice Margatroid wrote:

I don't like Rudd's chances either, hence why I'm only "cautiously" hopeful. The very idea of PM Abbott makes me shudder.

I wish those media laws had gotten through. We desperately need it. :/

I also wish Murdoch would just eff off somewhere.

He will kick the bucket soon I hope.

I want Bob Brown and Natsha Stott Despoja to come back to politics. They were two people I could trust.


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Meanwhile Icelanders troll anti-gay evangelist.

I don't think we have poster(s) from Iceland... Could we get a few, please?

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