Magi and 0-level words


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I apologize if this has already been discused, I couldn't find it when searching. I was looking at making a wordcasting magus, but I've run into a slight problem. Does the magus know any 0-level words at the start? The section from the normal magus spells reads:

Spells:

Spellbooks:
A magus must study his spellbook each day to prepare his spells. He cannot prepare any spell not recorded in his spellbook except for read magic, which all magi can prepare from memory. A magus begins play with a spellbook containing all 0-level magus spells plus three 1st-level magus spells of his choice. The magus also selects a number of additional 1st-level magus spells equal to his Intelligence modifier to add to his spellbook. At each new magus level, he gains two new magus spells of any spell level or levels that he can cast (based on his new magus level) for his spellbook. At any time, a magus can also add spells found in other spellbooks to his own (see Arcane Spells).

So they start with all 0-level spells on their list. The word casting magus however reads:

Words:

Magi, Witches, and Wizards:
Witches and wizards begin play knowing all 0-level effect and meta words for their respective classes and a number of 1st-level effect or meta words equal to 3 + the witch's or wizard's Intelligence modifier. Magi begin play with a number of 1st-level effect or meta words in their spellbooks equal to 2 + their Intelligence modifier. Whenever witches, wizards, or magi gain another level in their respective classes, they add 2 additional words to their spellbook or familiar, of any level they can cast. They can add new effect or meta words to their spellbooks or familiars for the same time and cost as it would take to add a spell of the same level.

So they don't start with any 0-lvl words, even though they have them on their class list. The problem I see is that every other class that learns all of their 0-lvl spells also learns all of their 0-lvl words. Is this an oversight and magi are supposed to have 0-lvl words, or do you have to take the extra word feat to get them?


RAW they don't get them. RAI? I would like to know too, as a wordcasting magus would be nice. I've avoided it this far because of this issue. FAQing for you.

Sovereign Court

Magus are supposed to get them. With editing in the UM book, they were cut. But they were made part of the Paizo blog and are a valid source of spell choices. they are posted on the d20psfrd here:

Magus Spells


Words by class


Thanks for trying to help, but I already know that Magi get the 0-level spells and which words are on their list. What I don't know is if by RAI they are meant to learn the 0-level words at 1st level like the wizards and witches do.


Bumping this because knowing is half the battle.

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