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the 5ft step NEVER provokes attacks of oppotunity.
(Unless ppl have relevant feats like "step up" or whatever it is called - please do not correct me on the names of feats!)
I am I right? The rules on the site seem a bit vague.
The posts on the 5ft-step issue seem to indicate a few ppl are still slightly confused on this "bread-and-butter" subject.....
Morlaf
the 5ft step NEVER provokes attacks of oppotunity.
5 foot steps do not provoke attacks of opportunity. (PFRPG 183)
Now, 5 foot moves do. i.e. moving 5 feet into hampered terrain for instance.
OK so what if I do a 5 foot step back from my enemies threat range and do a full attack with a spear? Am I provoking attacks of oportunity?
No.
No. The 5ft step does not provoke unless someone has a special ability that allows them to make an AoO against it.
Once you are out of someone's threat range they can't make an AoO against you at all, no matter what your action is.
OK so what if I do a 5 foot step back from my enemies threat range and do a full attack with a spear? Am I provoking attacks of oportunity?
Perhaps a bad example, as full attack never provokes.
Once you are outside the enemies threatened area, you can do whatever you like regardless of whether it provokes. It does not matter that you were once inside the threatened area, you are safe now.
If we are still on this issue it always puzzled me if I can do a move action or a charge or a double move avtion and after or before the action do a 1.5 step?
You can do move actions, including two move actions, but you cannot move any distance and also take a 5-foot step that round.
So, because of the restriction that you can't move any distance in that round, charge is out of the question.
If we are still on this issue it always puzzled me if I can do a move action or a charge or a double move avtion and after or before the action do a 1.5 step?
If you have physically moved any distance in a round, you can not also take a 5 foot step in the same round.
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the 5ft step NEVER provokes attacks of oppotunity.
(Unless ppl have relevant feats like "step up" or whatever it is called - please do not correct me on the names of feats!)I am I right? The rules on the site seem a bit vague.
The posts on the 5ft-step issue seem to indicate a few ppl are still slightly confused on this "bread-and-butter" subject.....Morlaf
correct this is a bread and butter issue. final clarification on my part
5 foot shifting never provokes aos (unless someone has a feat that says they do)you cannot 5 foot shift in difficult terrain (unless you have a feat that says you can)
if you take a 5 foot move you do provoke attacks.
once you 5 foot shift you cannot take any other action that requires you to move that round.
after you five foot shift any other action you take provokes aos as normal i.e. casting a spell shooting a bow.
5 foot shifts are amazing in game they come in incredibly handy. 5 foot shift and cast. 5 foot shift and full attack with a reach weapon. full attack then 5 foot shift for space. this rule alone has caused tons of players to scream about the importance of spells like enlarge person and weapons with reach.
Awesome; thanks.
Now i just have to carry on enjoying a session where the GM will not listen to.... "page 183 of the PFCRB" :-PMorlaf
Oh, rough. Your GM insists that 5 foot steps provoke aoo's? This is not when you are in difficult terrain, vision impaired, or have some other status which impairs your movement speed? This is a basic aspect of the game. Unfortunate, but I guess if you are friends, and it is enjoyable to you to play in his game otherwise, you endure what you must.
There is a chart in the combat chapter that says it does not provoke. I would just open the book and point.
It as at the bottom of the "Actions In Combat" chart
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There is a chart in the combat chapter that says it does not provoke. I would just open the book and point.
It as at the bottom of the "Actions In Combat" chart
Needless to say this has raised it's ugly head again. I pointed to the said section but there is an superscript 1 saying:
"1 Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity."Sure this warrants an AoO? how can i explain it to some1 and leave not even the slightest shadow of a doubt?!
thanks again,
Morlaf
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I truly hate the "quit the game" answer. Obviously, a poster looking to resolve a problem of sorts, is doing so to continue to be in, and enjoy, the game.
It's like the guy who is complaining about his job. The "just quit" answer is never what he wants to hear.
Sometimes it is. Remember, the basic rule is that if you are wondering if a bad thing is happening to you, it most likely is (alcoholism, abuse at work, bad GMs/players).
However, your analogy fails for one major reason - RPGs are supposed to be a relaxing entertainment, not some form of social wrestling. I get social wrestling at work, if I game, I want things smooth as a baby, if it's not smooth AND it looks that I'll have to go Applied Psychology to fix it, I just walk away and find people with whom I can enjoy the game. Simple solutions usually work best.
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Morlaf
I see you are a registered PFS player. One option - send him to a convention / to a PFS group close by.
Sometimes rules discussions are break downs in communication. A GM assumes the player will just take advantage of him and already starts with the mindset - there he come again and wants to misuse the rules.
A player often assumes the GM wants to nerd me again. He is out there to restrict me (personally).
In both cases it is sometimes surprising that a third party can achieve the same without much discussion. I did learn a lot from playing at other GMs in the PFS society in the UK - and also GMing for them.
I'm not free of mistakes - but it has made me a much better GM.
Even so - I might listen at a Con with less prejudice to a another GM or player as I would towards a regular one with whom I had a lot of discussions in the past.
I hope this might help.
There is a chart in the combat chapter that says it does not provoke. I would just open the book and point.
It as at the bottom of the "Actions In Combat" chart
Needless to say this has raised it's ugly head again. I pointed to the said section but there is an superscript 1 saying:
"1 Regardless of the action, if you move out of a threatened square, you usually provoke an attack of opportunity. This column indicates whether the action itself, not moving, provokes an attack of opportunity."Sure this warrants an AoO? how can i explain it to some1 and leave not even the slightest shadow of a doubt?!
thanks again,
Morlaf
When moving out of a threatened square you USUALLY provoke an attack of opportunity, whereas if you take a 5 foot step you NEVER provoke an attack of opportunity. Point out the wording and it is obvious which takes precedence.
Question while the subject is fresh. When the text says you cannot take a 5-foot step if you move during the round, is that specifically talking about using movement you have a listed speed for, or does it also include taking actions that don't use movement speed but do physically move you? Example: Utilizing the Travel Domain power to "bamf" you and the fighter 20ft.; could you then 5-step away from him, or is that a no-go?
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Question while the subject is fresh. When the text says you cannot take a 5-foot step if you move during the round, is that specifically talking about using movement you have a listed speed for, or does it also include taking actions that don't use movement speed but do physically move you? Example: Utilizing the Travel Domain power to "bamf" you and the fighter 20ft.; could you then 5-step away from him, or is that a no-go?
heheheheh Thac20?!? that is a very succinct way of putting it that leaves no room for doubt. Thanks!
:o)
Bamf?
Bamf being an onomatopoeia for the sound one would make when teleporting; one associated with Nightcrawler, specifically.
I can understand what your GM believes if he has never read the following section.
Take 5-Foot Step
You can move 5 feet in any round when you don’t perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can’t take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can’t take a 5-foot step in the same round that you move any distance.
You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round.
You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn’t hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can’t take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.
You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement
for which you do not have a listed speed.
And as BBT stated generally teleportation via spells or abilities is not considered "movement" in regards to this rule, though a super hard%^@ DM could read it that way.