Why do Bad Touch Clerics take unarmed strike?


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


Why would they need that to make a touch attack? I'm confused.

Sovereign Court

They can cast their touch attack before going into combat and hold the charge (or cast in combat, if needed.) They can then deliver both the effects of a regular unarmed attack, along with the spell's effects.

They don't NEED IUS it for touch attacks (as a spell charge counts as a weapon), but a cleric headbutting a zombie to a disintegrate-y death just looks cool.


Ah, I see. Well, that's all fair then, lol! Thanks for the quick response!


How do people generally rule that? Do you have to actually hit with the unarmed strike for the touch attack to go off? Or do you say that if your attack roll exceeds the touch AC but not the normal AC your touch attack goes off but your unarmed strike fails to do damage?


You generally need the domain strike feat to combine an unarmed strike with a domain touch power, but RAW you can't do it with a spell as a cleric unless you multiclass as a magus I believe. That said domain strike with certain domains is very good.

Also IUS opens up a number of interesting feats like stunning fist, touch of transquility, and certain style feats (snake style is great for a cleric) and allows you to retain your melee attack capability while juggling spellcasting, metamagic rods, scrolls, and shields much more easily.

Dark Archive

its in the rules. if you hold the charge you have to hit regular AC. no "exceeds this but less than that" bs.

Liberty's Edge

If you're holding a charge the next creature you touch gets the spell. However, if you're in combat and they're not going to let them touch you, you can either go with a touch attack for the spell (considered armed) or with a melee strike with your hand (not considered armed unless you take IUS) in which case you have to beat their full AC.


ShadowcatX wrote:
If you're holding a charge the next creature you touch gets the spell. However, if you're in combat and they're not going to let them touch you, you can either go with a touch attack for the spell (considered armed) or with a melee strike with your hand (not considered armed unless you take IUS) in which case you have to beat their full AC.

This is correct.

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