Synthesist wielding weapons and summoner holding...stuff


Rules Questions

Grand Lodge

Hopefully a quick question:
If you have a gnome wearing a medium sized Eidolon that wields a greatsword (2 arms only), can the gnome be holding a wand "inside" the armored Eidolon? He's not actually doing the wielding of the weapon so his hands are free.
A normal summoner wouldn't have this problem as his Ediolon is separate, but I see no reason why my summoner inside the suit couldn't be holding something else to be used as needed.
i.e. a wand of rejuvenation or some other useful wand, or for that matter a wand in each hand. You couldn't attack with the sword AND use the wand in the same round, but you also wouldn't have to switch between the 2 either.

Jaeru...


The creatures fuse together into one creature. Anything that is to be used is intended to be on the outside. To rule otherwise is to bypass action economy and allow other issues to come up. When the gnome is encased the "outer shell" does all the work.


Jaeru wrote:

"The synthesist and eidolon cannot take separate actions. While fused with his eidolon, the synthesist can use all of his own abilities and gear."

Jaeru...

Those 2 statements confuse me. Can the synthesist use a wand or not?


Yes, but the combined summoner/eidolon has to hold it. You don't get extra hands (unless the eidolon has more than two arms).


It can use a wand, but the outershell controls everything since they are fused into one creature.

Grand Lodge

So you think that if the Eidolon is wielding a weapon the summoner can't even cast a spell from inside because the Eidolon's "hands" are full?

Seems a bit over-restrictive to me.
I saw where the summoner "directs" the Eidolon's actions, but it doesn't say he mimics them. He could be simply sitting in the middle of the armor sipping tea while the Eidolon does all the work around him.

"While fused with his Eidolon, the synthesist can use ALL of his own abilities AND gear."

Jaeru...


Counter quote: "The synthesist and eidolon cannot take separate actions. "


They are one creature. That is what you give up for the benefits of being able to dump stats.

The synthesis can use his gear because he is controlling the eidolon, and making it take all the actions that control that gear. He does not get to use his arms one round and then the eidolons the next round.

I never said the summoner could not cast spells. They are one creature so of course he keeps his spells.


Bobson wrote:
Counter quote: "The synthesist and eidolon cannot take separate actions. "

What that means Jaeru is that what they don't get to act as separate creatures.

There is no eidolon and summoner. There is only one creature.

Quote:
The synthesist directs all of the eidolon’s actions while fused, perceives through its senses, and speaks through its voice, as the two are now one creature.

Grand Lodge

So does the Eidolon simply reach inside itself to extract a wand/potion/scroll/staff/backpack, etc... for use?

Does the equipment the summoner is wearing get transfered to the Eidolon when it is called so IT is wearing the equipment instead?

Does the summoner quaff a potion and it affects the Eidolon or vice versa?

LOL...do you have to feed these things? I am definitely NOT cleaning up after something that is HUGE. I'll take the cohort feat just to get a stable boy I swear.

Jaeru...


Jaeru wrote:

So does the Eidolon simply reach inside itself to extract a wand/potion/scroll/staff/backpack, etc... for use?

Does the equipment the summoner is wearing get transfered to the Eidolon when it is called so IT is wearing the equipment instead?

Does the summoner quaff a potion and it affects the Eidolon or vice versa?

LOL...do you have to feed these things? I am definitely NOT cleaning up after something that is HUGE. I'll take the cohort feat just to get a stable boy I swear.

Jaeru...

Good questions.


Jaeru wrote:

So does the Eidolon simply reach inside itself to extract a wand/potion/scroll/staff/backpack, etc... for use?

Does the equipment the summoner is wearing get transfered to the Eidolon when it is called so IT is wearing the equipment instead?

It doesn't specify, so this could be up to the Player. I am currently playing a kyton-kin synthesist whose Eidolon is made of kytonesque chains, so it made sense for the chains to part to let the character get stuff. This would fit with the idea that rmour no longer works.

That said, it does not say it is protected from sundering or theft, so that would suggest it is accessible (i.e. outside the Eidolon). This does not make sense since clothes and items originally formed for the PC race suddenly fit an Eidolon, which can be a bigger size.

My advice is speak to your GM and see how he wants to play it. Most times sundering/theft don't affect you so it shouldn't matter if they are internal.

Jaeru wrote:
Does the summoner quaff a potion and it affects the Eidolon or vice versa?

They are effectively one creature for this purpose.

Jaeru wrote:

LOL...do you have to feed these things? I am definitely NOT cleaning up after something that is HUGE. I'll take the cohort feat just to get a stable boy I swear.

Jaeru...

Does a normal summoner have to feed his Eidolon? it is a summoned creature, so no.

There is a racial archetype summoner (I forget which one) whose Eidolon gets extra evolution points from eating dead or dying creatures, however, so obviously it CAN eat. It just doesn't have to. It doesn't have to be cleaned up after either, so you don't need a stable boy for that.

Scarab Sages

Jaeru wrote:

So does the Eidolon simply reach inside itself to extract a wand/potion/scroll/staff/backpack, etc... for use?

Does the equipment the summoner is wearing get transfered to the Eidolon when it is called so IT is wearing the equipment instead?

Does the summoner quaff a potion and it affects the Eidolon or vice versa?

LOL...do you have to feed these things? I am definitely NOT cleaning up after something that is HUGE. I'll take the cohort feat just to get a stable boy I swear.

Jaeru...

Mechanically the answers are not important. You can fluff them however you wish.

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