Does a Tongues Oracle benefit from Inspire Courage


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Grand Lodge

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Bard- Inspire Courage wrote:
A 1st level bard can use his performance to inspire courage in his allies (including himself), bolstering them against fear and improving their combat abilities. To be affected, an ally must be able to perceive the bard’s performance. An affected ally receives a +1 morale bonus on saving throws against charm and fear effects and a +1 competence bonus on attack and weapon damage rolls.*snip 5th lvl info snip* Inspire courage is a mind-affecting ability. Inspire courage can use audible or visual components. The bard must choose which component to use when starting his performance.
Tongues Curse wrote:
In times of stress or unease, you speak in tongues. Pick one of the following languages: Abyssal, Aklo, Aquan, Auran, Celestial, Ignan, Infernal, or Terran. Whenever you are in combat, you can only speak and understand the selected language.

Situation: A first level bard uses his voice(Common) to Inspire Courage. A first level Oracle with the Tongues Curse(Celestial) is his ally and can hear and see the Bard.

Question: Does the Oracle benefit from Inspire Courage? Or does the fact that he cannot understand the words the Bard is using in his song prevent him from receiving the bonus?

Dark Archive

It appears that inspire courage is not a language dependent effect.

After all, Inspire Courage does not have to be a sung song, but could also be just music, or even just dancing (for the visual component only one).

Drums are a good example, while you may not speak the same language as the drummer, the beat can still be uplifting.

so, perhaps it is not always the words that the bard is speaking, but the rhythm and tone too (which is where the magic comes in). Thus not being able to understand it is not important, it is more important to be able to hear it and be an ally.


Bard- Inspire Courage wrote:
A 1st level bard can use his performance to inspire courage in his allies (including himself), bolstering them against fear and improving their combat abilities. To be affected, an ally must be able to perceive the bard’s performance. An affected ally receives a +1 morale bonus on saving throws against charm and fear effects and a +1 competence bonus on attack and weapon damage rolls.*snip 5th lvl info snip* Inspire courage is a mind-affecting ability. Inspire courage can use audible or visual components. The bard must choose which component to use when starting his performance.

It says perceive, not understand. Nowhere does it say the ability is language dependant so yes the Oracle can benefit.

Invariably, spells etc. that require lingusitic understanding to be effective explicitly call out that need in their text. Since this says merely perceive, your fine.

That said, if somehow the oracle becomes deaf and blind then they are out of luck, and a deaf or blind oracle may actually be unable to benefit in some cases, depending on the type of performance used and their ability to detect the bard appropriately.


If the bard is using audible components, then no, it does not work.

If they are using visual components, then yes, it does work.


Gilfalas wrote:
Bard- Inspire Courage wrote:
A 1st level bard can use his performance to inspire courage in his allies (including himself), bolstering them against fear and improving their combat abilities. To be affected, an ally must be able to perceive the bard’s performance. An affected ally receives a +1 morale bonus on saving throws against charm and fear effects and a +1 competence bonus on attack and weapon damage rolls.*snip 5th lvl info snip* Inspire courage is a mind-affecting ability. Inspire courage can use audible or visual components. The bard must choose which component to use when starting his performance.

It says perceive, not understand. Nowhere does it say the ability is language dependant so yes the Oracle can benefit.

Invariably, spells etc. that require lingusitic understanding to be effective explicitly call out that need in their text. Since this says merely perceive, your fine.

That said, if somehow the oracle becomes deaf and blind then they are out of luck, and a deaf or blind oracle may actually be unable to benefit in some cases, depending on the type of performance used and their ability to detect the bard appropriately.

Bardic Performance wrote:
If a bardic performance has audible components, the targets must be able to hear the bard for the performance to have any effect, and such performances are language dependent.

Grand Lodge

Cheapy wrote:
Gilfalas wrote:
Bard- Inspire Courage wrote:
A 1st level bard can use his performance to inspire courage in his allies (including himself), bolstering them against fear and improving their combat abilities. To be affected, an ally must be able to perceive the bard’s performance. An affected ally receives a +1 morale bonus on saving throws against charm and fear effects and a +1 competence bonus on attack and weapon damage rolls.*snip 5th lvl info snip* Inspire courage is a mind-affecting ability. Inspire courage can use audible or visual components. The bard must choose which component to use when starting his performance.

It says perceive, not understand. Nowhere does it say the ability is language dependant so yes the Oracle can benefit.

Invariably, spells etc. that require lingusitic understanding to be effective explicitly call out that need in their text. Since this says merely perceive, your fine.

That said, if somehow the oracle becomes deaf and blind then they are out of luck, and a deaf or blind oracle may actually be unable to benefit in some cases, depending on the type of performance used and their ability to detect the bard appropriately.

Bardic Performance wrote:
If a bardic performance has audible components, the targets must be able to hear the bard for the performance to have any effect, and such performances are language dependent.

From my understading this doesn't use the perform skill. How does that come into play?

Dark Archive

Cheapy wrote:
Gilfalas wrote:
Bard- Inspire Courage wrote:
A 1st level bard can use his performance to inspire courage in his allies (including himself), bolstering them against fear and improving their combat abilities. To be affected, an ally must be able to perceive the bard’s performance. An affected ally receives a +1 morale bonus on saving throws against charm and fear effects and a +1 competence bonus on attack and weapon damage rolls.*snip 5th lvl info snip* Inspire courage is a mind-affecting ability. Inspire courage can use audible or visual components. The bard must choose which component to use when starting his performance.

It says perceive, not understand. Nowhere does it say the ability is language dependant so yes the Oracle can benefit.

Invariably, spells etc. that require lingusitic understanding to be effective explicitly call out that need in their text. Since this says merely perceive, your fine.

That said, if somehow the oracle becomes deaf and blind then they are out of luck, and a deaf or blind oracle may actually be unable to benefit in some cases, depending on the type of performance used and their ability to detect the bard appropriately.

Bardic Performance wrote:
If a bardic performance has audible components, the targets must be able to hear the bard for the performance to have any effect, and such performances are language dependent.

I stand corrected!

Thank you Cheapy, I missed that section of the text.


sveden wrote:


From my understading this doesn't use the perform skill. How does that come into play?

You don't need to have ranks in any Perform skill to use Inspire Courage.

So you just choose whether you want the performance to have visual or audible components when you start it. That's it. Both have advantages. Visual components end with loss of line of sight, but can affect animal companions etc that don't understand you. Audible means it can go a lot farther (technically allies would need to roll perception each round to hear you, but that's pretty easy), and doesn't require LoS.

So in short...it doesn't really come into play at all, unless you want it to.


An amusing side-effect of the audible = language dependent is that the only way for a bard to inspire courage with a lute is by people seeing him play the lute.

Grand Lodge

OK great. I knew there was something to not explicitly using the Perform Skill.

Grand Lodge

re:Lute

Where can I find a list of Audible vs Visual ways of performing?


There's no list, you just choose which one when using inspire courage.

Inspire Courage wrote:
The bard must choose which component to use when starting his performance.

So, fluff it how you want. It could be smashing the faces of your enemy in, giving commands, etc.

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