
KoboldSorcerrer |

Sadly true (they're not OGL to the best of my understanding) -- but I always wonder with something like that how different would it have to be to not qualify as copyright violation. I mean other names can be found for a sword of elven make that has very similar stats as a thinblade or a lightblade or is the entire idea of a race-specific weapon that qualifies as a rapier but does damage a sword class bigger what is copyrighted?

The_Normal_Anomaly |

I've heard the term "Elven Thinblade" thrown around a couple times. Is there any mention of it in a pathfinder setting, or was it lost in the transfer between 3.5 and pathfinder as the cutless was?
The fluff is certainly copyrighted. In fact, I always got the impression that the weapon was more about the fluff than anything else.
The statistics of essentially any weapon without some crazy specific rule tacked on can be gained independently. I mean, just playing musical numbers from the base equipment list lends the following.
Category: Martial
Use: One-handed
Cost: 20g
Damage (m):1d6
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 2 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.
Category: Exotic/Martial
Use: One-handed/Two-handed
Cost: 40g
Damage (m):1d8
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 4 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.
An estoc is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use an estoc two-handed as a martial weapon.
Category: Martial
Use: Two-handed
Cost: 60g
Damage (m):1d10
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 6 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.
Category: Martial
Use: One-handed
Cost: 40g
Damage (m):1d8
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 2 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.
Category: Exotic
Use: Two-handed
Cost: 80g
Damage (m):1d12
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 6 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.
Category: Exotic/Martial
Use: One-handed/Two-handed
Cost: 40g
Damage (m):1d6
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 4 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.
An estoc is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use an estoc two-handed as a martial weapon.
Category: Martial
Use: One-handed
Cost: 30g
Damage (m):1d6
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 2 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.
Category: Exotic
Use: Two-handed
Cost: 80g
Damage (m):1d10
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 6 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.
Really, all the thinblade is was this type of thing with some special elven social fluff. If you want it for society play, good luck, otherwise just add it or something like it back in.

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Sadly true (they're not OGL to the best of my understanding) -- but I always wonder with something like that how different would it have to be to not qualify as copyright violation.
Generally the way it works in court, if the work can be demonstrated to be derivative, than it's an IP violation. So something with the same mechanics of a thinblade would fall under the ban even if the name were changed.

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They were from Races of the Wild I believe. But yes, I'm pretty sure nothing outside the core book in 3.5 was OGL, and it was definitely not in there.
To sidetrack for just a moment, most of Epic Level Handbook and Psionics Handbook were OGL, as well as much of Unearthaed Arcana. I think that was it, aside from a few monsters from Monster Manual II.
Even more sidetrack: 5K posts! Woo hoo!
+70 from aliases.

Valenka |

The Elven thinblade and lightblade were both introduced in an issue of Dragon Magazine. They were reprinted in the 3.5 book "Complete Warrior" which was not OGL. The larger thinblade cost 100gp was a 1-handed weapon that did d8 dmg with a rapiers crit range and weighed 3lbs. The smaller lightblade cost 50gp did d6 dmg and had the same crit range as its big brother while weighing the same as a dagger.