Elven Thinblade


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I've heard the term "Elven Thinblade" thrown around a couple times. Is there any mention of it in a pathfinder setting, or was it lost in the transfer between 3.5 and pathfinder as the cutless was?


I think your talking about an elven CURVED blade. its basically a 2 handed scimitar that you can use weapon finess with.

its in the CORE book however its exotic for all but elves. non elves would want to use a katana.

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Alas, no. The Elven Thinblade and Lightblade were weapons in 3.5. The Thinblade was basically an exotic version of the rapier, which was moved to the light catagory and qualified as a rapier or a longsword for the purpose of feats and abilites.


I think those weapons were not open gaming license, therefore not available.


They were from Races of the Wild I believe. But yes, I'm pretty sure nothing outside the core book in 3.5 was OGL, and it was definitely not in there.


Sadly true (they're not OGL to the best of my understanding) -- but I always wonder with something like that how different would it have to be to not qualify as copyright violation. I mean other names can be found for a sword of elven make that has very similar stats as a thinblade or a lightblade or is the entire idea of a race-specific weapon that qualifies as a rapier but does damage a sword class bigger what is copyrighted?

Grand Lodge

I like it but it makes the elves a bit more badass.

Maybe Rapier stats but can be used one or two handed? Specific weapon focus etc needed though.


the elven curveblade is the pathfinder equivilant of the thinblade.

but pathfinder is compatible with 3.5...


Nanomd wrote:
I've heard the term "Elven Thinblade" thrown around a couple times. Is there any mention of it in a pathfinder setting, or was it lost in the transfer between 3.5 and pathfinder as the cutless was?

The fluff is certainly copyrighted. In fact, I always got the impression that the weapon was more about the fluff than anything else.

The statistics of essentially any weapon without some crazy specific rule tacked on can be gained independently. I mean, just playing musical numbers from the base equipment list lends the following.

Rapier:

Category: Martial
Use: One-handed
Cost: 20g
Damage (m):1d6
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 2 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.

Slightly Larger Rapier/Estoc:

Category: Exotic/Martial
Use: One-handed/Two-handed
Cost: 40g
Damage (m):1d8
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 4 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.
An estoc is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use an estoc two-handed as a martial weapon.

Great Estoc:

Category: Martial
Use: Two-handed
Cost: 60g
Damage (m):1d10
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 6 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.

Exotic Rapier:

Category: Martial
Use: One-handed
Cost: 40g
Damage (m):1d8
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 2 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.

Exotic Great Estoc:

Category: Exotic
Use: Two-handed
Cost: 80g
Damage (m):1d12
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 6 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon. You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.

Alternate Slightly Larger Rapier/Estoc:

Category: Exotic/Martial
Use: One-handed/Two-handed
Cost: 40g
Damage (m):1d6
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 4 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.
An estoc is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use an estoc two-handed as a martial weapon.

Alternate Exotic Rapier:

Category: Martial
Use: One-handed
Cost: 30g
Damage (m):1d6
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 2 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.

Alternate Exotic Great Estoc:

Category: Exotic
Use: Two-handed
Cost: 80g
Damage (m):1d10
Critical: 18-20/x2
Weight: 6 lbs.
Type: Piercing
Special: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a rapier sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.

Really, all the thinblade is was this type of thing with some special elven social fluff. If you want it for society play, good luck, otherwise just add it or something like it back in.


Steelfiredragon wrote:

the elven curveblade is the pathfinder equivilant of the thinblade.

but pathfinder is compatible with 3.5...

Actually, the Elven Curveblade is the Pathfinder version of the Courtblade presented in Races of the Wild. The only difference besides the name is the price.

Grand Lodge

KoboldSorcerrer wrote:

Sadly true (they're not OGL to the best of my understanding) -- but I always wonder with something like that how different would it have to be to not qualify as copyright violation.

Generally the way it works in court, if the work can be demonstrated to be derivative, than it's an IP violation. So something with the same mechanics of a thinblade would fall under the ban even if the name were changed.


Actually the elven curved blade dates back to second edition except it was one handed, I used to use it in my 2nd edition games.

OP: If your DM allows 3.5 stuff its ok, but if your playing pure pathfinder don't even bother.

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They were from Races of the Wild I believe. But yes, I'm pretty sure nothing outside the core book in 3.5 was OGL, and it was definitely not in there.

To sidetrack for just a moment, most of Epic Level Handbook and Psionics Handbook were OGL, as well as much of Unearthaed Arcana. I think that was it, aside from a few monsters from Monster Manual II.

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The Elven thinblade and lightblade were both introduced in an issue of Dragon Magazine. They were reprinted in the 3.5 book "Complete Warrior" which was not OGL. The larger thinblade cost 100gp was a 1-handed weapon that did d8 dmg with a rapiers crit range and weighed 3lbs. The smaller lightblade cost 50gp did d6 dmg and had the same crit range as its big brother while weighing the same as a dagger.


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