US Congress to censor internet


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I just read this...not being from US, it doesn't really affect me, but i have many friends living in the states, so i know that it will affect them. Just so you know.

I couldn't find any good links, but googling the title will find a myriad of articles on the subject...

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Hama wrote:

I just read this...not being from US, it doesn't really affect me, but i have many friends living in the states, so i know that it will affect them. Just so you know.

I couldn't find any good links, but googling the title will find a myriad of articles on the subject...

This is the best link I could find.


And HERE is an online petition against it, if you're interested.

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Anybody else find it ironic that "free speech" apparently includes a corporation handing a big ol' bag with a dollar sign on it to a politician, but excludes actual human beings expressing their opinions in a public forum?

Don't come back to life as a zombie, Thomas Jefferson! Once you learned what's afoot, you'd be the first zombie ever to die of an outrage-related infarction.

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Welcome to America. We'll support the rights of your discontented citizens, but ours are fair game.


Hama wrote:

I just read this...not being from US, it doesn't really affect me, but i have many friends living in the states, so i know that it will affect them. Just so you know.

I couldn't find any good links, but googling the title will find a myriad of articles on the subject...

Actually, this WILL affect you, and this will affect me too. For all we know, that bill passing will lead to other countries going "follow the leader" and putting up their own similar bills to pass. By that part, it's good-bye internet. Ultimately, this whole scenario (assuming the bill does pass) is just proof that "in the end, money talks" and we're heading towards the kind of dystopic world that we all know from all those cyberpunk movies and animes, of course minus the cool tech and such.


Hama wrote:

I just read this...not being from US, it doesn't really affect me, but i have many friends living in the states, so i know that it will affect them. Just so you know.

I couldn't find any good links, but googling the title will find a myriad of articles on the subject...

It also may effect you depending on where the website is hosted, as my guess is if this goes through any shut downs will be blanket rather than allowing a site to continue to be accessed outside of the US.


And just to be safe Congress will block all internet content that doesn't originate in the US on the basis that them overseas 'foriners' don't 'respeckt' the law


...and what are the chances of this bill coming to pass? I know the ones supporting it have LOTS of money being poured into it (cheers for corruption) and they don't even listen to the opposition or start to throw accusations at the opposition like "you support piracy!!" and such.


"If this nation is to remain true to the ideals symbolized by its flag, it must not wield the tools of tyrants even to resist an assault by the forces of tyranny."

-- Justice John Paul Stevens

Although in this case, it's really an assault by the forces of the almighty dollar.

Disgusting.

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bugleyman wrote:

"If this nation is to remain true to the ideals symbolized by its flag, it must not wield the tools of tyrants even to resist an assault by the forces of tyranny."

-- Justice John Paul Stevens

Although in this case, it's really an assault by the forces of the almighty dollar.

Disgusting.

I suspect that there would be serious back lash from the public if this passed. It would not be long before it went to the supreme court which I suspect would strike it down.

Our health care bill is there now discussing if the gov't has the right to force American's to get and pay for health care.

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It all smells to me like another "circus"* designed to keep Congress busy, so people don't start wondering, "Why doesn't Congress spend its valuable time addressing things that actually matter, such as preventing the country's economy from having an embolism?"**

*Remember how vital it was to discuss gays in the military? Or the Ten Commandments being on courthouse steps? Gosh, those sure must have been important issues to take precendence over things like illegal interrogation or our oh-so-successful war on drugs!

**There are at least two correct answers: 1. Because Congress is about as efficient as The Three Stooges, but less than one-seventh as funny, and 2. Because they're being paid to avoid fixing said problems. Take your pick or offer a third. ;)


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Couple times a year I get a rush of petitions in my in box from various freaked out Pro-Democracy organizations, crying to me that the latest bill is the death knell for a free internet, or will mean the end of online gaming, or spells disaster for fans of R-rated films, or whatever.

I dutifully sign each one to stop the Greatest Tyranny of All Times from occurring.

As far as I know, none of these bills ever passes.

Is it because my signature is golden? Or is it because it's all a bunch of BS and the freaks in charge also love their porn and their bloody flicks and whatever it is they're ordering from China?

I figure as long as the clowns in Washington are sick, perverted, greedy weirdos, the internet is never in any real danger.


I really hope you are right Bruunwald. A friend of mine living in the US said that if the bill passes, he's highly considering moving away from the States. Also, the lobbying seen in the congress is disturbing in it's abudance.

Sovereign Court

Icyshadow wrote:
Hama wrote:

I just read this...not being from US, it doesn't really affect me, but i have many friends living in the states, so i know that it will affect them. Just so you know.

I couldn't find any good links, but googling the title will find a myriad of articles on the subject...

Actually, this WILL affect you, and this will affect me too. For all we know, that bill passing will lead to other countries going "follow the leader" and putting up their own similar bills to pass. By that part, it's good-bye internet. Ultimately, this whole scenario (assuming the bill does pass) is just proof that "in the end, money talks" and we're heading towards the kind of dystopic world that we all know from all those cyberpunk movies and animes, of course minus the cool tech and such.

Yeah, try that in my country and we burn down government buildings and property (a shame since most of them are around 200-250 years old), and if they do it in greece, well there will be civil war.


Our tax dollars at work....


Lincoln Hills wrote:

It all smells to me like another "circus"* designed to keep Congress busy, so people don't start wondering, "Why doesn't Congress spend its valuable time addressing things that actually matter, such as preventing the country's economy from having an embolism?"**

*Remember how vital it was to discuss gays in the military? Or the Ten Commandments being on courthouse steps? Gosh, those sure must have been important issues to take precendence over things like illegal interrogation or our oh-so-successful war on drugs!

**There are at least two correct answers: 1. Because Congress is about as efficient as The Three Stooges, but less than one-seventh as funny, and 2. Because they're being paid to avoid fixing said problems. Take your pick or offer a third. ;)

Actually, gays in the military and keeping the Ten Commandments from being given privileged space in Federal buildings IS every bit as important as Internet censorship and illegal interrogation techniques.


Somebody help me out here.
Assume I'm a garage band playing at local bars or high schools. I put some of my band's songs out on the Internet (after copywriting them) and I sell them to help fund the band. Someone else comes along, takes my songs, and sells them at a lower price, keeping the income from the band.
Can we all agree that this is copywrite violation and that the copywrite on my songs should be enforced?


Darkwing Duck wrote:

Somebody help me out here.

Assume I'm a garage band playing at local bars or high schools. I put some of my band's songs out on the Internet (after copywriting them) and I sell them to help fund the band. Someone else comes along, takes my songs, and sells them at a lower price, keeping the income from the band.
Can we all agree that this is copywrite violation and that the copywrite on my songs should be enforced?

And laws to protect your copyright already exist. That is good.

But should a judge be able to shut down parts of the internet, specifically
Mr. 3rd Party Webhosting, with an Ex Parte order because Mr. 3rd Party
Website is hosting your "someone's" website?

NO.

example: What if Mr. 3rd Party is Amazon.com, and your "someone" has a
Used Book & Music Store listed on Amazon? The way we are headed is you
can file a complaint about your copyright, and if a Judge agrees he can
make Amazon.com disappear, and Amazon never gets a word in edge wise.

.

Liberty's Edge

You make the assumption someone is selling music/movies. They're giving them away. The only people buying anything pirated (ripped/burned movies, cds, etc) are people without an internet connection. Which is just about nobody anymore.

And I don't know anyone in a garage band that dislikes exposure. They'd rather everyone trick on to them somehow, that way they get a bigger crowd when they play live. Maybe sell some CDs at their shows.

But that isn't the issue. That's the lever they're using to gain more control over something they have very little over. The wording of the bill could put FB in danger because I like to link videos I'm watching on Youtube. Heck, it could put Youtube in danger. Any p2p network could be shut down. Cloud type storage, Dropbox, all sorts of useful web apps, all of it could be shut down because a few people might abuse it.

Not worth it.

Edit: had to add a word.


Anyone have any idea when the final decision on the bill will be made? Like, if it passes or not?


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I still don't buy this. Something about this smells fishy.


Freehold DM wrote:
I still don't buy this. Something about this smells fishy.

Do you know what else smells like fish?

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Fish.


Hookers?


Xabulba wrote:
Hookers?

To combine you and TOZ.

Hookers near Cannery Row.

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DESTINY COMBINING!


Grand Magus wrote:
Darkwing Duck wrote:

Somebody help me out here.

Assume I'm a garage band playing at local bars or high schools. I put some of my band's songs out on the Internet (after copywriting them) and I sell them to help fund the band. Someone else comes along, takes my songs, and sells them at a lower price, keeping the income from the band.
Can we all agree that this is copywrite violation and that the copywrite on my songs should be enforced?

And laws to protect your copyright already exist. That is good.

But should a judge be able to shut down parts of the internet, specifically
Mr. 3rd Party Webhosting, with an Ex Parte order because Mr. 3rd Party
Website is hosting your "someone's" website?

NO.

example: What if Mr. 3rd Party is Amazon.com, and your "someone" has a
Used Book & Music Store listed on Amazon? The way we are headed is you
can file a complaint about your copyright, and if a Judge agrees he can
make Amazon.com disappear, and Amazon never gets a word in edge wise.

.

Thanks. So, it's like if a kiosk opened in a mall and it was later discovered that the kiosk was a fence for stolen goods. Should the mall have any responsibility? If the mall practices due care I don't think it should.

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