I question everything. But I will tell you that the Tea Party NEVER even came close to the barbarism, anti-american sentiment, or violence, or racism of the OWS.
Didn't they dress up like half-naked Native Americans, destroyed corporate property and then start a revolution that resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans?
So far you have just told us how watching fox news and reading NYPost has made you feel about OWS. But many of us have seen first hand that things are radically different then you present them. Last time I was at OWS, I saw someone flying the "don't tread on me" flag. If they were a Tea Party member, conservative, or Republican, I would not have been surprised. I think you will find that most of the "Us vs. Them" stuff is on TV, not on the street.
And really, saying that "violence occurred" doesn't mean that OWS is RESPONSIBLE for it. I've been to enough events where the only ones getting violent are the NYPD to know when to call bull$*&^ on that!
This is one of the things I really try hard to buck, is the idea that all unions are evil or bad for America.
As a conservative, I hear it very often. I only persoinally think public sector unions are a horribad idea, but if labor in a private company wants to uniionize, they have a right to, or not to. I think with gov't jobs, there is a built in conflict of interest.On the other hand, I can't help but thinking, that if corporations were called to heel, and the power shifted to the unions, even if as a whole their interest is only for the welfare of their workers, the folks that do nothing but work for the unions themselves will be the ones we'll need to watch out for. Something will happen, and there will be creis for more oversight, then cries for regulation, and we'll end up with the pendulum having swug to the completely opposite side.
You can say it won't happen. I think that's naive.
All it will take is for enough people only in it for money to get high positions, and it'll happen.
Thats pretty much my take on unions as well. Public unionization is essentially legalized mafia. There is no accountablility like there is with private unions. However, lately we've been seeing private unions being exepmted of these accountabilities by our govt when the attached business ends up going under because of legacy costs associated with them.
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*Actually this is only true in the very short term. The truth is that in an economy such as ours based on consumer spending, the whole machine works better if the bottom quintile has disposable income. In the long run. Supply-side economics incentivizes short term earnings at the cost of long term growth.Things are geared towards short-term profit over long-term sustainability. Shareholders want to know the net profits this quarter. The path to personal wealth, as a CEO, is to run your company into the ground as quickly as possible and escape with a golden parachuite large enough to ensure your permanent fortune. If the taxpayers then bail out said company so that someone else can do the same thing with it next year, so much the better!
Precisely. Which is hardly a sustainable business model!
(Continuing my rant:)
Modern economics is not foolproof. There are no experiments that economists can run to see if their theories hold true, just models that are necessarily incomplete. Economists are the theorycrafters of the world.
Supply side/trickle down economics works in theory, but it has demonstrably not worked in practice. Keynesianism worked for a while as well, but it was also imperfect and failed predict/work in certain scenarios (stagflation).
However we chucked Keynesian economics when they failed to work. We can see pretty clearly (IMHO) that Friedman economics is failing us now. Heck it's been failing us for a long while now. It's amazing that those in control of the financial sector would hesitate to chuck it now. The only explanation I see, which I think most here can concur with, is that those in power have a vested interest in seeing supply-side/Friedman economics continue until THEY get their cut. The level of greed is STAGGERING!
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You are sorely misinformed. You might try looking for proof of these statements instead of relying on infotainment and propaganda outlets for news.Um no. To ignore whats happening, you really have to put your fingers in your ears, chant nya nya nyah I can't hear you, and close your eyes tight to not see these things. The proof is everywhere.Please show proof that the examples of violence at OWS rallies are anything other than isolated incidents. Please show evidence that it was organized by, not just attended by members of, labor unions.
You're making the claim here, show your work.
Seriously, it's a pita to cut and paste
People won't bother 99% of the time if you won't take the time.
Yeah just isolated incidents. I've also made it a point to participate on the occupywallstreet.org website that is cooridinating a lot of the movement. Its absolutely insane to see those calling for martyrs and violence. Some of them want someone to instigate it to the point where someone gets killed so they can bolster the movement and fire it up. These are the occupy people. I've listened to them and read their rants and ideas.
Fixed it for you.
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1-Yep, Oakland got out of hand. Oakland=/=rest of the movement.
2-So people defending their constitutional rights NON VIOLENTLY. Is violence. Gotcha.3-Oh no. Some old people fell down stairs. I mean that sucks, but this video is not evidence that OWS did it.
4-This is evidence against your point. The only violence is AGAINST the person smashing the bank window. It's the protesters policing themselves, which is precisely what we've been saying is happening. Oakland.
5-Again, OWS protesters stopping the violent among them. Oakland.
6-More oakland.
And a few vids, mostly of Oakland, of people getting rowdy doesn't make a majority of the movement.
I'm all for the police going in and arresting those that get violent. I'm against the police pepper spraying/bludgeoning college kids who are resisting nonviolently.
I only persoinally think public sector unions are a horribad idea, but if labor in a private company wants to uniionize, they have a right to, or not to.
I guess I don't get this. Why are public sector unions a bad idea? Why do people not deserve to have their wellbeing looked out for because they work for the government?
A lot of the rhetoric I hear on your side of the argument comes down to downplaying the good that public sector workers do. There are monkey jobs that have to be done (street sweeping, civil engineers, etc.) which are more and more being outsourced to private companies. Then there are professionals, like those that work in the DNR or DATCP, and there are school teachers. Right now in my state there's this push by our governor to cut wages across the board for public workers. Most of the professional level employees work in the public sector because they believe in what they're doing and could easily make double if not ten times their salary working for private corps. When you make it difficult to live on what a public sector job pays then you will have a lack of qualified candidates to work there. Again though, this doesn't apply to non-professional or unskilled public sector jobs, so we need to establish a dichotomy here.
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Who are public unions collectively bargaining against? Not an evil corporation looking to fleece it's workers, but fellow tax paying citizens. Citizens that can not reasonably do without the service provided (police, firemen, teachers, etc). Citizens that have no say other than every 4 years in any contract for said services.
The fire union donates money to the mayor, the mayor reciprocates by renewing a contract with hella nice pension plans and healthcare WAY above and beyond what the average citizen in the city gets. Oh, and it's locked in for 4 years. Who cares if the city can't afford it? It's tax money, it falls from the sky. Police Union donated, so they get "cared for" too, and the teacher's union...where does it end?
The next guy running for office has to pretty much offer an even sweeter deal to get these union's support, or why would they support him? Police and Fireman support is a big deal come election time...
How is this any better than the corporate stuff OWS is against?
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I guess I don't get this. Why are public sector unions a bad idea? Why do people not deserve to have their wellbeing looked out for because they work for the government?
Ignoring the red herring that this is about the presence or absence of fundamental "well-being"....
There is a HUGE difference between public and private sector.
When a private sector union negotiates with its employer it has an obvious understanding that driving the employer out of business is destructive for everyone, including the union. Public sector unions have no such check. The drive to find a "fair" deal is off the table and it is all about seeing just how much you can get.
A lot of the rhetoric I hear on your side of the argument comes down to downplaying the good that public sector workers do. There are monkey jobs that have to be done (street sweeping, civil engineers, etc.) which are more and more being outsourced to private companies. Then there are professionals, like those that work in the DNR or DATCP, and there are school teachers. Right now in my state there's this push by our governor to cut wages across the board for public workers. Most of the professional level employees work in the public sector because they believe in what they're doing and could easily make double if not ten times their salary working for private corps. When you make it difficult to live on what a public sector job pays then you will have a lack of qualified candidates to work there. Again though, this doesn't apply to non-professional or unskilled public sector jobs, so we need to establish a dichotomy here.
This is a false argument.
Government is a critical part of society and, as a whole, does WONDERFUL things.
But, that completely notwithstanding, over and over it is TRIVIALLY easy to point at bloated do-nothing vote buying jobs. No one is complaining about "street sweepers" who actually DO something. I've known a government employee whose job was to sign for UPS and Fed shipments. And, yes, I'm talking about once in the morning and once in the evening.
You can easily point to examples of short staffed government positions. But for every one of those there are a dozen bloated staffs pushing papers.
And your claims about salary are completely out of touch with reality. Again, you can point to examples that suggest you are right when you compare straight $/hr to $/hr for an 8 hour working day. But when you start looking at things like paid time off, benefits, and retirement schedules and pay-outs, not to mention job security, not working beyond 8-4 in most cases, etc..., the value of the average public sector easily exceeds the value of the equivalent private job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDMJNiXcL4&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIuHyDQzjxk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4geIt-j5URo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpw2oyINpnc&feature=related
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Yeah just isolated incidents. I've also made it a point to participate on the occupywallstreet.org website that is cooridinating a lot of the movement. Its absolutely insane to see those calling for martyrs and violence. Some of them want someone to instigate it to the point where someone gets killed so they can bolster the movement and fire it up. These are the occupy people. I've listened to them and read their rants and ideas.
I've seen all of them. Have you ever heard of agents provocateur?
Are you also aware that people frequently pose as sympathizers, only to promote violence or troll out of hatred for the peaceful movement? They do where I live. Constantly.
If you think these videos are examples of what the movement is about, you're again sorely misinformed, or just don't know much about counter-tactics practiced by infiltrators, police and FBI, etc.
The "black block" people in Oakland are particularly suspect. Can you guess why?
And your claims about salary are completely out of touch with reality. Again, you can point to examples that suggest you are right when you compare straight $/hr to $/hr for an 8 hour working day. But when you start looking at things like paid time off, benefits, and retirement schedules and pay-outs, not to mention job security, not working beyond 8-4 in most cases, etc..., the value of the average public sector easily exceeds the value of the equivalent private job.
When I started teaching in 1995, with a bachelor's degree, professional licensure, and 15 hrs towards a master's, I made $19,000/year. I worked 60 hours a week during the school year and 35-40 hours a week during the summer ("additional duties as assigned by the school board or pricipal" is standard in the contract, and yes, they do assign them). Health care was about the same as I now receive in the private sector. Retirement was really the only thing you had to look forward to, assuming you put in enough time to reach age 65.
After 6 years of that, I finished my master's and went to work in industry. I started there working fewer hours, and for double the pay (even adjusting for inflation), and ended up with the same amount of time off during the year. I now have nightmares that I have to go back to teaching.
Who are public unions collectively bargaining against? Not an evil corporation looking to fleece it's workers, but fellow tax paying citizens.
They're collectively bargaining against an evil corporation looking to fleece its workers: the government. A government is not its people.
I worked in a state park. The park had no problem
-having "Seasonal" workers for 16 years
-hiring and laying off people repeatedly so their health insurance benefits wouldn't kick in for 2 years instead of 9 months
- exposing workers to hazardous conditions without safety gear, including pruning from a moving loader without belts or harnesses, raw sewage,dust, asbestos, moving toxic chemicals with no safety equipment
-not using flaggers or signs while working on a 45 mile an hour road with twists and turns.
- not training employees on the heavy equipment (and then having us use it because there was no other option)
-refusing to use the heavy equipment to move 300 pound loads.
-working people through unpaid lunch breaks
-firing people for whistleblowing
- Trying to claim that the toe is not part of the foot, and that a heavy object that fell on the foot does not mean they're responsible for a damaged toe.
-firing workers fulfilling their military service
-trying to unhire a worker that was bitten by a rattlesnake in their second week because their recovery was taking a while
- firing a worker who'd been there for 25 years because they got cancer and were costing the insurance fund money.
So yes, excuse me if i think that i might want an additional layer of bargaining between me and the head of the park, who was put there by someone that was voted in by the people. A representative of a representative of the people is not the people.
stuff about cushy gov't jobs
So because there are examples of abuses in the public sector, no public sector employees deserve a fair wage or the protections that are afforded to private sector unions like cost of living wage increases.
Again, we need to stratify these workers. You say there's all these positions yadda yadda. I have no experience with that. I have experience with tons of friends that are teachers, municipal workers, or my parents who work for state agencies in a professional capacity. The elimination of a public sector union means they CANNOT bargain for wages/compensation and either a)up and quit jobs they have 20-30 years experience in or b)put up with wholesale elimination of their benefits for the sake of austerity.
How is this any better than the corporate stuff OWS is against?
Because at least these people do something for me. All this behind doors deals, which believe me are largely imagined on your part, allows for people with professional degrees to BARELY be considered middle class. Sorry if I can't see it your way.
Again, saying that unions aren't always ethical and that there are loopholes is a good argument for CLOSING THOSE LOOPHOLES not eliminating unions. Baby/bathwater.
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Largely imagined.
I suppose. It's always so hard to prove that stuff like that took place. But, it happened in Omaha. Not proven, of course, but the current Mayor ran on a campaign of cleanup and fiscal responsibility, recieved a large campaign donation from the Police and Fire unions, then OK'd contracts for both that contained policies that would have bankrupted the city, policies he called out during his campaign, had he not passed a 4% "entertainment" tax (he called it a surcharge) to cover it. He also wanted to charge anyone who did not live in Omaha, but worked in Omaha, 50 bucks a year for driving on "their" roads.
Luckily, he could not do this as Omaha takes up all of Douglas county, and a Mayor can not assess fees to citizens of other counties. But I digress...
Who's fleecing who? When your representative, in this case the Mayor, is in on the deal, who should be worried about fair representation?
In fairness to the teachers, they usually do not recive such amazing deals, but because they are public sector, pay the price for the Police and Fire Union's follies.
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In fairness to the teachers, they usually do not recive such amazing deals, but because they are public sector, pay the price for the Police and Fire Union's follies.
Why? They're different unions. This is all I'm getting at. Instead of demonizing "public sector unions" feel free to make criticisms of particular practices or unions and the croneyism that absolutely happens there as well. These are legitimate gripes. Laying down the banhammer on all public sector unions and depriving hard working people out of fair representation at a contract negotiation is folly.
Government needs to be cleaned up, and I won't deny that unions are a part of that just as (though not as much as IMO) the banksters on wall street are. I think it's fair to say I'm opposed to wanton greed in sectors public and private and the detrimental effect it has on the general welfare.
Who are public unions collectively bargaining against? Not an evil corporation looking to fleece it's workers, but fellow tax paying citizens. Citizens that can not reasonably do without the service provided (police, firemen, teachers, etc). Citizens that have no say other than every 4 years in any contract for said services.
The fire union donates money to the mayor, the mayor reciprocates by renewing a contract with hella nice pension plans and healthcare WAY above and beyond what the average citizen in the city gets. Oh, and it's locked in for 4 years. Who cares if the city can't afford it? It's tax money, it falls from the sky. Police Union donated, so they get "cared for" too, and the teacher's union...where does it end?
The next guy running for office has to pretty much offer an even sweeter deal to get these union's support, or why would they support him? Police and Fireman support is a big deal come election time...How is this any better than the corporate stuff OWS is against?
I can't find a public sector job that pays close to what the private sector pays. I have better health care in my current position than if I was in the public sector, make at least 10 grand more than I would in an equivalent position, and my current salary is on the low end of the spectrum for my experience and training. Finally, with the major cuts that have been happening to pentions, they don't really match employer matching of a 401K anymore.
Teachers - the reason we don't get good teachers is because their overqualified for the pay level they get. In NY, they must get a masters within the first few years. People with masters degrees average starting salaries are at least 20 grand more than starting teacher pay. I know people starting out of college with lower education levels than your average teacher making more than teachers who have been in the field for 20 years.
Police and Firemen are similar. Police need degrees (I think NY State Troopers need masters), but their starting pay barely keeps up with the private sector. Firemen have less in the way of training, but more in the way of hazards. Their pay is nice, but only on par with people leaving college.
And I don't know what it is like near you, but every candidate around here is looking to make huge cuts to public employees and campaigns on it.
*commences to pull the dustcover off of the guillotine while whistling a jaunty tune*
Last night the Egyptian military put down the renewed protests in Tahrir, transitioning the government to a military dictatorship. The clash left dozens of corpses in its wake and over a thousand injured. They cite the US police crackdown on OWS as their inspiration.
Part of me is tempted to laugh, but this just isn't funny. :(
Part of me is tempted to laugh, but this just isn't funny. :(Last night the Egyptian military put down the renewed protests in Tahrir, transitioning the government to a military dictatorship. The clash left dozens of corpses in its wake and over a thousand injured. They cite the US police crackdown on OWS as their inspiration.
Oh, it's funny.
It just doesn't seem that way if you're living in the punchline.
It's sad that I check the Paizo messageboards before I check the news.
I was excited by the Arab Spring in Tunisia and Egypt, but I didn't expect that they'd end well.
[Scurries off to read communist websites and watch al-Jazeera]
I can't find a public sector job that pays close to what the private sector pays. I have better health care in my current position than if I was in the public sector, make at least 10 grand more than I would in an equivalent position, and my current salary is on the low end of the spectrum for my experience and training. Finally, with the major cuts that have been happening to pentions, they don't really match employer matching of a 401K anymore.
Teachers - the reason we don't get good teachers is because their overqualified for the pay level they get. In NY, they must get a masters within the first few years. People with masters degrees average starting salaries are at least 20 grand more than starting teacher pay. I know people starting out of college with lower education levels than your average teacher making more than teachers who have been in the field for 20 years.
Police and Firemen are similar. Police need degrees (I think NY State Troopers need masters), but their starting pay...
Well hells bells! Have 'em c'mon down to Omaha and be a policeman (degree in criminal justice a plus but not required), and retire at 50 making 200k a year FO LIFE!
It's sad that I check the Paizo messageboards before I check the news.
I was excited by the Arab Spring in Tunisia and Egypt, but I didn't expect that they'd end well.
[Scurries off to read communist websites and watch al-Jazeera]
In Soviet Russia, communist website watches YOU.
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The Tahrir square story reminds me of Europe's negotiations with Russia over their invasion of Georgia a few years back. Sarkozy turned out to be the man who got closest to Putin (oh, those French). I understand the exchange went something like this:
Sarkozy: Are you sure you want to do this?
Putin: Why not? Bush and the Americans are doing the exact same thing in Iraq.
Sarkosy: True, but do you want to be like Bush?
Putin: ...Dammit, you have a point.
Unfortunately, "Do you want to be like Obama?" doesn't pack quite the same punch. But now we can look at the UC Davis Sprayer and think, "Be like Obama."
ETA: I think it's unfair... but the actions of the police do reflect on the administration--as it should. So it's not really unfair.
Last night the Egyptian military put down the renewed protests in Tahrir, transitioning the government to a military dictatorship. The clash left dozens of corpses in its wake and over a thousand injured. They cite the US police crackdown on OWS as their inspiration.
The trick is, the egyptian military has been in power there for fifty years, and only conceded the fall of Mubarak (their figurehead) after the spring protests.
What we are seeing is egyptian revolution, phase two : the street realized that nothing has really changed, and wants more.
Please note that the tunisian situation is quite different. Ben Ali REALLY got ousted, and the transition is going reasonably well.
Well hells bells! Have 'em c'mon down to Omaha and be a policeman (degree in criminal justice a plus but not required), and retire at 50 making 200k a year FO LIFE!I can't find a public sector job that pays close to what the private sector pays. I have better health care in my current position than if I was in the public sector, make at least 10 grand more than I would in an equivalent position, and my current salary is on the low end of the spectrum for my experience and training. Finally, with the major cuts that have been happening to pentions, they don't really match employer matching of a 401K anymore.
Teachers - the reason we don't get good teachers is because their overqualified for the pay level they get. In NY, they must get a masters within the first few years. People with masters degrees average starting salaries are at least 20 grand more than starting teacher pay. I know people starting out of college with lower education levels than your average teacher making more than teachers who have been in the field for 20 years.
Police and Firemen are similar. Police need degrees (I think NY State Troopers need masters), but their starting pay...
Road trip! Looking forward to hanging with you and arguing politics together, kryz?
LOL
Sure! Gaming is the tie that binds, my friend.
ETA: I think it's unfair... but the actions of the police do reflect on the administration--as it should. So it's not really unfair.
The US military going into iraq is under control of the president. The police are not. They work for and answer to the state, not the country.
My gaming friends all run the political, sexual preference, and faith spectrum.
I game with gays, bis, conservatives, liberals, christians, atheists, pagans, buddhists, wiccans and those that choose no affiliation with any of the above...I've had them all in my home over the years, and shared a meal with all of them on a regular basis.
We have some heated debates, to be sure, but not a one of them is a bad person. I've come to learn the only kind of person I don't like to associate with, is an a~!*&*!, or more to the point, there are alot better reasons to dislike a person than any of the above.
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ETA: I think it's unfair... but the actions of the police do reflect on the administration--as it should. So it's not really unfair.
The US military going into iraq is under control of the president. The police are not. They work for and answer to the state, not the country.
The stain remains, regardless. As I said, unfair, even if it isn't.
The stain remains, regardless. As I said, unfair, even if it isn't.
True. The whole world IS watching. When they see cops, they think Obama's cops, even though that's not the case.
I read a lot of comments from other countries, and people say things along the lines of "we thought Americans were too comfortable/clueless to rise together like that," followed by effusive declarations of praise and solidarity.
It's nice to be loved. :)
Hi. just a link to Michael Moore's website.
He just proposed some program points for OWS that mostly make sense, especially the ones about your political system reform. They echo some of the discussions here.
Be well. Stop ditching italian bonds.
My gaming friends all run the political, sexual preference, and faith spectrum.
I game with gays, bis, conservatives, liberals, christians, atheists, pagans, buddhists, wiccans and those that choose no affiliation with any of the above...I've had them all in my home over the years, and shared a meal with all of them on a regular basis.
How brave.
You have "reasons to dislike" the above categories of people?
(sorry, I gotta pay you back for trouncing me yesterday. Turnabout's fair.)
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"And whats wrong with communists?"
Seriously?!?!?! This tells me that I am wasting any time even discussing this with you. Nothing that I say will take hold with someone like you.
You mean someone that doesn't treat a preference for an economic system like a religion?
The cold war is over. We won. There's no need to grab the torches and pitchforks at the mention of socialism or communism anymore.
The best economies are a mix of individualist achievements and social projects. I'm not going to get bent out of shape because someone thinks the bar needs to be slid in one direction or the other, I'm just going to point out the problems with the bar being all the way at one end or the other.
My family are first generations from countries that were heavily socialist and even communist. They remember all too well whats wrong with communist and socialist countries.
Part of my family is ukranian. Russians showed up in tanks and told my family they were going to redistribute their land and they had to leave. They said sure, no problem and packed up.
And left for america in the middle of the night.
Comrade Anklebiter did you mic check Obama in NH?
Hee hee! No, I'm afraid not. I actually forgot about it after posting about it above.
The end of the year is referred to as "peak season" here in UPSland and I will be doing nothing except working and getting intoxicated for the rest of 2011.
I saw a short clip on the news and it doesn't look it was a particularly effective disruption, but still, I give my comrades props for trying.
Break with the Democrats!
My gaming friends all run the political, sexual preference, and faith spectrum.
I game with gays, bis, conservatives, liberals, christians, atheists, pagans, buddhists, wiccans and those that choose no affiliation with any of the above...I've had them all in my home over the years, and shared a meal with all of them on a regular basis.How brave.
You have "reasons to dislike" the above categories of people?
(sorry, I gotta pay you back for trouncing me yesterday. Turnabout's fair.)
You left off the
We have some heated debates, to be sure, but not a one of them is a bad person. I've come to learn the only kind of person I don't like to associate with, is an a%~++~~, or more to the point, there are alot better reasons to dislike a person than any of the above.
part.
SUUUUUUUUP> My family comes from heavily capitalist, mercantilist, monarchist, and even fascist countries. They remember all too well what's wrong with capitalist and fascist countries.
Then again, I hate commies too!
Beware subtitled swear words!
Defense Technology 56895 MK-9 Stream
That stuff is more useful then I thought!
A very interesting article on DHS, and their involvement in coordinating the brutal crackdowns.
To wit: A national police force, protecting the private, legal insider trading profits of congresspeople.
Those of you who don't like Occupy should really look at why our government fights it so hard.
Well, I can't be here all the time, HD.
[ahem]
Citizens of Paizo,
There was a nationally-coordinated attempt to crackdown on Occupy Shiznit Everywhere. If you were so rude as to call Citizen Derek paranoid for this, you are stooges of the plutocracy.
Doodlebug Anklebiter,
Recording Secretary of the the Executive Committee of Public Safety
Vive le Galt!
Wow, when I mentioned that last week, I was told I was paranoid.
Don't recall if I said you were paranoid or not- I don't think I did. I just pointed out that NYPD really doesn't need anyone's say-so to be a complete and total violent a@@&#@% towards anyone, as you may or may not already know.
Remember kids, commit all your atrocities in one day.
So, my hot dreadlocked Ron Paul friend showed up recently with a truck bed full of firewood. She filled me in about all of the stuff that Occupy NH has been up to since I disappeared into the gaping abyss that is peak season at UPS.
She hooked up with a local presidential candidate, Vermin Supreme (look him up!), and went to Obama's appearance at a local high school. They held up signs that read "Welcome President Bush!" and when the motorcade came by they stood on the divider and tried to offer Obama a cigarette. Hee hee!
There's other great stuff, but here's a video from outside a Newt Gingrich appearance at St. Anselm's down the road a bit from me. The woman being interviewed is a local and vocal Ron Paul supporter that I first met at Occupy NH's second General Assembly in Concord. Hee hee!
That was funny!