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So who else is counting down. Looks like there will also be 13 episodes this season.
I've been counting down since the end of last season. It just became a more accurate countdown a couple weeks ago when I found out the exact date. ;)
I am still convinced that Gina Torres would make a great Michonne, but we'll see who is in the role (if they introduce the role). Of course, if they veer from the comic's plot line (which is not beyond the realm of possibility as is evident from season 1), then anything is possible.
Am I the only one who thinks that a steam roller/combine thresher and a tanker of diesel would quickly end the whole "We're not safe here" thing?
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I haven't read the comics. Do have an App for them but $8.99 for six comics.
The comics are a great read, you should check them out, even if you just go hang out at a B&N for a few hours reading the anthology (though I would recommend actually buying them ... I've read through the TPBs twice so far).
The Walking Dead is currently the best program on TV these days. It's so freaking good...
You don't have to be faster than the Zombies, just faster than one of your friends....
Also, did the same thing happen in the comic?
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You don't have to be faster than the Zombies, just faster than one of your friends....
Also, did the same thing happen in the comic?
I am still enjoying both of the story lines though.
If Andrea was in my group, I would have killed her away from the group or gotten her kicked out the group by now.
She's:
Negative: A negative influence on the group, always talking about how much she wants to die. Seriously, if you want to die, DO IT! Stop talking about it. Otherwise, shut up. It brings the rest of the group down. Life is hard enough. Hope is the most precious commodity in that world, and she's a downer.
Orders: It's bad enough that the old man tells them not to do something, it's even worse that the entire group tells her not to do something and she does it anyway! And she wounds and almost kills the most useful member of the entire group doing so. What a dumb ass. Surviving is all about teamwork, not about satisfying your ego. If you can't work in a group and follow orders, get out.
Ego: Her ego is so big, she's willing to attract more zombies (possibly even a herd off the road) just to satisfy her ego. That one gunshot had the potential to kill everyone at the farm. What are you going to say if that happens... oops?
Unremorseful: I think it's just plain bad that she and Dale talk about shooting Daryl so smugly. It wasn't funny... at all. Maybe someone else should richochet a bullet off their head to see what it feels like?
Stupid: She wasn't smart enough to realize people don't talk to zombies for 10+ seconds. Or that bullets are precious and it could have been taken care of with melee weapons. Or that guns are always risky because they attract more zombies. Stupid moves like this will eventually get everyone killed.
Gah, I hate that character. Well, hate her in a good way, I still love the show. Can't wait until next week.
Another vote to see Andrea turned into Zombie chow.
Glen on the other hand has got to be my favorite character on the show. Just the right mix of determination and "I sure hope this impresses the girl" attitude.
WTH was up with the end of the last episode:
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Indeed. I was just slightly pissed at the way that ended.That was crap. I can't believe they have kept Shane alive and let that character die.
Yeah, but I can't say I was surprised. Shane's stats for missing children cases is pretty accurate and I couldn't see them being better in a post zombie apocalypse world.
I thought that ending was awesome! I didn't see it coming. Wow, what a betrayal, why would Hershell and the daughters keep that a secret, even after the survivors found out about the walkers in the barn? What a major betrayal to send them on a wild goose chase like that! If I was a survivor, I would NOT be happy.
Also, although Shane is right in some respects, he's lost it, he's a loose cannon, and can't work well with others. He's got to go.
Also, Shane never thought about the consequences of his actions. If the survivors think they can work that farm without any knowledge about farming or the farm itself, they're crazy. They might have just as well burnt the farm. They just killed Hershell's desire to live and he'll never teach them how to sustain the farm without him.
Anyway, I guess the show had to leave the farm eventually anyway, it would be pretty boring if more than 1 season was spent at the farm. (Although, if I was a survivor, the farm is the best "safe haven" available imo, the MAIN problem in a disaster like that would be lack of food and water, which never seems like a problem in the show for some reason. I'd fortify the property basically, protecting the animals as well.)
PS. I thought Carl was going to take the revolver and kill Shane at the end. I still see that happenning at some point, Carl has a "hero" mentality and Shane is a pragmatic douche who thinks he's invincible. They're bound to butt heads eventually.
Can't wait until Feb!
Wow, what a betrayal, why would Hershell and the daughters keep that a secret, even after the survivors found out about the walkers in the barn? What a major betrayal to send them on a wild goose chase like that! If I was a survivor, I would NOT be happy.
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Wow. I loved the way that ended. It worked for me on so many levels.
Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the hell out of the show, but
since the changes are coming in prior to the appearance of some of my favorite characters from the comic, I am becoming a bit wary as to whether Michonne or the Governor or all the others will ever make an appearance.
If not, such is life, but I really want to see the sword wielding psycho and her two zombie attendants at the very least.
Best. Character. Intro. EVER! ;)
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I really liked the ending. I can't wait to see the survivor's reactions to Hershel about how no one mentioned she was in the barn.
As for what happens with Shane, I'm thinking Andrea is a likely person to do him in, but there are so many possiblities, it's like they're have to draw straws.
The previews for the next episode show the conversation about why no one knew Sophia was in the barn...looks like a real WTF moment for Shane.
I just started reading the comics so I have a better understanding of where the story diverged and I'm wondering how long it will be until they get to the next phase (leaving the farm and finding their next fortified encampment).
As was mentioned on The Talking Dead, at least they finally found the little girl.
Awesome ending to the mid-season, unfortunately we have to wait until February for the conclusion.
It kind of bothers me that there's only one episode showing in February... does that mean the show is canceled or finished? Usually they post the remaining 6-10 episodes about now. Some people are saying that. Hopefully not. This is the best show on TV atm.
I agree, almost everyone character has a reason for killing Shane. Take a number. Watch, it will be T-Bone (the black guy). I haven't even seen that character hardly at all this season, he's invisible.
Hmm... I just found out it's the most watched program on network TV right now, so the chances of it being canceled are nill. Also, the February break is because they don't want to go head-to-head with post season Sunday night football. I don't blame them.
Just saw the last episode here in the Netherlands, good one.
Nobody is going to kill Shane, Dale is right, Shane is right for this new brave walker infested world. You either adapt or die.
Hey, Rick walked past him to shoot the little girl in the head. If Rick hadn't done that I believe Sofia would be dead before she came within the 5 feet perimeter......
Sometimes to survive, you use your head.
For example, the farm was a safe haven. It could have been a place where they could get food to survive until the zombie threat is over. The real threat in any catastrophe, is food, water, and shelter.
By killing the zombies in the barn, they've killed Hershel's will to live, and his desire to keep the survivors on his land. I'm willing to bet he'll kill them before letting them stay now. And what will they do, kill Hershel and his daughters in retribution? Shane might.
Having said that, they don't know anything about how to maintain a farm. It took Hershell and his daughters a lot of work to do so. Since they don't know how to run or maintain a farm, let alone take care of the animals (he's a vet), they might as well have burned it. So they're on the road again. How is that a better solution than the possible walker threat and waiting for Hershell to maybe realize (on his own) that they're not alive?
Personally, I probably would have shot Shane by now. Sometimes he's right, but he goes about it the wrong way. If he doesn't like a choice that's being made... move on, you have a vehicle. The barn was a group decision and affects everyone, it's not his choice to make alone.
Ah well, great show, I'm sure everyone has an opinion about it, which is part of the reason it's so interesting.
Shane's actions are not done openly. Nobody(well almost nobody) knows he shot the guy and left him behind. I am sure he will get killed later. He can't hide his ways forever.
Sometimes to survive, you use your head.
Yes, I agree, but people who are delusional don't get a say or vote (if you believe walkers are people you are delusional).
For example, the farm was a safe haven. It could have been a place where they could get food to survive until the zombie threat is over. The real threat in any catastrophe, is food, water, and shelter.
When will the zombie threat ever be over? Zombies decay, but one bite means another fresh one to roam about.
By killing the zombies in the barn, they've killed Hershel's will to live, and his desire to keep the survivors on his land. I'm willing to bet he'll kill them before letting them stay now. And what will they do, kill Hershel and his daughters in retribution? Shane might.
Didn't Hershel order the group off his property by the end of the week? You are right that things will escalate
Having said that, they don't know anything about how to maintain a farm. It took Hershell and his daughters a lot of work to do so. Since they don't know how to run or maintain a farm, let alone take care of the animals (he's a vet), they might as well have burned it. So they're on the road again. How is that a better solution than the possible walker threat and waiting for Hershell to maybe realize (on his own) that they're not alive?
Farming is pretty hard to do and without machinery even harder, it took industrialization to get us out the dark ages.
Hershell has kept the walkers in the barn for more than 3 months - after that time I am of the opinion that he will not change his mind regarding their 'condition'.
Personally, I probably would have shot Shane by now. Sometimes he's right, but he goes about it the wrong way. If he doesn't like a choice that's being made... move on, you have a vehicle. The barn was a group decision and affects everyone, it's not his choice to make alone.
Surviving is not a popularity contest and most of the group joined him in wiping out the walker threat.
Ah well, great show, I'm sure everyone has an opinion about it, which is part of the reason it's so interesting.
Yup, what would you do after the apocalypse? How far will you go to survive? Always interesting questions to ask.
Sadly Nature has hardwired you to survive (at any cost) - you might feel bad about the way you did it, but survive you will.
Shane's actions are not done openly. Nobody(well almost nobody) knows he shot the guy and left him behind. I am sure he will get killed later. He can't hide his ways forever.
in the comics he actually died a long time ago. they kept him around in the show to add a lot of moral dilemmas to the group, and i like that. but i cant help but root for Rick. i really like the character, and he is just a badass waiting to show his true colors, which the actor that plays him said he gets a lot more badass in the second half of the season.
I didn't buy that Shane wouldn't rekill her. They just played him too off the rails up to that point and wasn’t he the one that was sure she was unsavable? Wasn’t that almost exactly what he expected? When the alpha-wanna-be throwing a rage fueled tantrum is proven right, they do NOT get all quiet and meek. More likely he’d visibly enjoy shooting her up a little too much, horrifying anyone who was considering signing up for team Shane.
I get it was set up that way so Rick could step up and prove he is the strongest leader, but it felt very staged and not true to how people act.
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My favorite is Dale. He is the only one who has a really clue. Seriously, if people started listening to him, they’d all be better off. I would say he just needs a little hardening, but I think my issues are caused more from the writers protecting Shane than anything. Not really buying that Glenn wouldn’t kill Shane to save himself. The guy has threatened to kill him so many times and is just an all around loose cannon.
Andrea is second. She is the only adult without anyone she feels obligated to take care of which makes her the most interesting, I think. She is the only character that has shown any growth as a person. She is careless, but not dumb and quite the badass. If she gets some confidence and learns to listen to Dale – hopefully doing the dirty work that he won’t – she will be 1.
Daryl, Rick and Glenn are tied for third. They are useful without a bunch of banal drama, though Glenn is slipping on that front. He is lucky his genuine sweetness makes up for it.
Lori. Oh Lori. I want to like her so bad. She is the only one who will stand up and forcefully speak sense to these people as a group. Everyone else is all about whispers in secret and go along with the loudest yeller in ‘public’. But overall her character is not written very believable. People aren’t drama queens one day and understated pragmatists the next. Her motivations and personality in general make no sense.
Carol is a little on the dull side, but realistically the best able to cope with the current situation given her history. It makes sense that she’d doesn’t have much personality outside of being subservient and sad. I hope she comes out of her shell at some point before getting killed off though.
T-Dog. Poor T-Dog. Please do something with T-Dog. He isn’t even the token black guy at this point. He is more a token chick without breasts to wave around, or the lack of strength to be the damsel. This oddly doesn’t stop the writers from finding all sorts of “creative” ways of making him need saving though.
Shane can be fun to hate, but has the opposite problem as Lori’s character. Everything he does makes sense more or less. But the way everyone reacts to him doesn’t. The guy has clearly become a domineering rage junky with the emotional range of a teenage mass murderer. Okay Rick is an idiot with bigger things on his mind. And Andrea is going through a f*!@ these people phase right now, but everyone else? HELLO. He hasn’t opened his mouth without psycho-douche falling out for awhile now. And so easy to manipulate if anyone cared to use him for the one thing he is good at. Oh, that’s right at the least believable times; he gets all pacifist so Rick can step up and do the only thing Shane does well better. Right.
I didn't buy that Shane wouldn't rekill her.
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I didn't buy that Shane wouldn't rekill her.I give you a +1
Yeah, I agree. He just wasn't going to do it yet. She wasn't a threat. If she was a threat, I think any of them would have done it. I think they were all in shock a bit.
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I didn't buy that Shane wouldn't rekill her.I give you a +1Yeah, I agree. He just wasn't going to do it yet. She wasn't a threat. If she was a threat, I think any of them would have done it. I think they were all in shock a bit.
Well, technically, she was a threat. Any zombie is a threat when it gets down to it. I think for all his bluster, Shane got pulled back into the full reality of the world they find themselves in.
Seeing Sophia and the reality of the situation becoming far more personal than it previously had been by having someone who he actually knew being turned and who he was thinking of as being dead, not undead (as shown by his statements and having them based on prezombieapocalypse training), I think he had one of those moments of stunning realization.
Additionally, it showed he was not "able to turn it off", as he kept telling Andrea to do, when it became personal. Rick, on the other hand, was able to do so and did so without diving off the deep end beforehand.
I don't really see it as a contrived plot device, just additional character development.
Additionally, it showed he was not "able to turn it off", as he kept telling Andrea to do, when it became personal. Rick, on the other hand, was able to do so and did so without diving off the deep end beforehand.
I don't really see it as a contrived plot device, just additional character development.
Fair enough. It seems like that is how most people read it.
I just didn’t buy it. Anything about it really, but mostly that he has “it” to turn off. He has never shown care for anything beyond his ego. The closest he came was barricading coma Rick and telling Lori he was dead, which is pretty weak. On the other hand he is pretty consistently showing his lack of humanity. Besides, like he really hasn’t had to shoot any zomified people he knew at this point.
If it is character development, that is SOME development considering it wasn’t brought on by anything as far as I can tell.
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After last night's episode, I agree with Penny Arcade's take, and am now rooting for the zombies to win.
Seriously, could these people be any stupider? They live in a zombie apocalypse wasteland, and yet they organize late night firing squads (gee, I hope the zombies aren't attracted to the sounds of gunfire, good thing there's no evidence of that), have loud and stupid arguments in unknown, potentially zombie filled places (which, surprisingly, result in zombie attacks!), and openly bbq piles of bodies (again, I sure hope the zombies aren't good with their sense of smell, good thing there's no evidence of that either).
I'm just thankful Dale is finally out of our collective misery.
Also, how many times can Rick choke and not be called on it? Sure, Shane's a psycho, but he at least has some convincing arguments. Rick has the worst case of protagonist constipation. He doesn't just fail to act, he fails to justify any action (or non-action) he (doesn't) take.
The season long hunt for Sophia was almost justified by the final reveal of her fate. Now we're back to finding Sophia, except the new game is "do we kill the prisoner or just argue about it a lot while taking him on scenic tours of the neighborhood and/or wussing out at the last minute."
Go zombies!
I mean, I know the old world order has passed away, but even so...murdering another person in cold blood? They should've just left the poor kid to the zombies if they were gonna just put a bullet in him later. Even if it makes logical sense to have killed him, that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
Granted, as soon as I heard the cow moo, I knew it had somethin bad wrong with it. If you spend any time around animals, you know the sound of one dying, and that moo was definitely the sound of a cow dying. I'd have had my gun up and keyed up my adrenaline as soon as I heard it.
On a less severe spoiler note, my personal "ARGH!" goes against the entire group + Carl right now. Seriously, what the heck? Carl: "Look! A zombie! I'll go throw rocks at it and get as close as I possibly can because it looks stuck! There's no way me making it twist back and forth will help it work loose! Oh noez! I'll run away and not tell anybody I saw a zombie close by!" And everyone else...they spent half this season looking for a girl that they let wander off and a matter of days, if even that long, later, they leave Carl by himself long enough that he can wander into the woods, find a walker stuck in the mud, taunt and tease it so much it works its' way free, then run back to camp, all with no one the wiser? You would think that, at the very, very least, Rick or Lori would've noticed their son was freakin' gone!
Also, is anyone else impressed with the zombie ninja stuff in that last episode? Every time we've seen a walker, they're making noise. Growling, making that weird throat-scratchy noise, whatever. Also, unless they are knocked over, they're always standing up. How is it that a zombie managed to be sneaky and quiet enough to get around behind one of the party members in the middle of an open field, even in the dark? Shouldn't it have been making noise or something?
I mean, I know the old world order has passed away, but even so...murdering another person in cold blood? They should've just left the poor kid to the zombies if they were gonna just put a bullet in him later. Even if it makes logical sense to have killed him, that doesn't make it the right thing to do.
The problem is that the right thing in this case would probably get them all killed. Does the kid deserve to die? No. However, he is a threat, and should therefore be killed for the survival of the group. You hit it right on the head. It DOES make logical sense. It may not be right, but neither is having to defend yourself from walking corpses.
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The right thing would have been to put the kid out of his misery while he was stuck on the fence in town. But he saved him and that changes the dynamic. Granted he shot at Glen and Rick, but does that justify killing him? If so, when will they put a slug in Shane? He killed Otis, admitted as much to Rick and then tried to kill him.
don't get me wrong, I think the kid is a slime ball. He's definitely shifty to no end. And he is most likely a threat, but killing him in cold blood makes those who do it no better than the crew he ran with.
I did like Dale; he was the voice of reason in an unreasonable time. He was the only one in the group who seemed to want to try to keep some semblance of the foundations of the old societal precepts intact. I'm curious if anyone else will step up into that role.
And I am still holding out hope that Michonne will show up.
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I care more about what is entertaining than what is the most moral and correct path for the characters to take. Even if Dale had a point, he expressed it poorly, failed to articulate an alternative, and wasted approximately half the episode being a sad sack about it.
Similarly, I am done with Rick. He needs to either shit, or get off the pot. How many episodes can we waste watching him almost make a decision, only to b@$++ out when it comes time to execute. If he had just said "bygones" about the whole sniping incident and integrated the kid into the group, that would've been fine. If that wasn't his plan, he should've ventilated the kid's skull at the first encounter and saved us all the pain.
Also, what were they doing for the week they had the kid prior to trying to drop him off in the last episode? Why not ask him questions then? And why the big need to start torturing him?
Last night's episode was a big pile of fail.
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I care more about what is entertaining than what is the most moral and correct path for the characters to take. Even if Dale had a point, he expressed it poorly, failed to articulate an alternative, and wasted approximately half the episode being a sad sack about it.
Similarly, I am done with Rick. He needs to either s%+~, or get off the pot. How many episodes can we waste watching him almost make a decision, only to b%#%! out when it comes time to execute. If he had just said "bygones" about the whole sniping incident and integrated the kid into the group, that would've been fine. If that wasn't his plan, he should've ventilated the kid's skull at the first encounter and saved us all the pain.
Also, what were they doing for the week they had the kid prior to trying to drop him off in the last episode? Why not ask him questions then? And why the big need to start torturing him?
Last night's episode was a big pile of fail.
Did they get soap in your Zombie apocalypse there little pony? I think the moral dilemma of zombie films is where the entertainment thrives. If its just people making the correct logical choices and ventilating each others skulls it wouldn't be interesting at all. Turn off AMC and turn on the PlayStation and go shoot a couple thousand zombies.