Multiweapon Fighting and light weapons


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Let's say you have a creature with 6 arms. Said creature is holding a MW dagger in each hand. It's BAB is +9.

PRD-Multiweapon Fighting wrote:

Benefit: Penalties for fighting with multiple weapons are reduced by –2 with the primary hand and by –6 with off hands.

Normal: A creature without this feat takes a –6 penalty on attacks made with its primary hand and a –10 penalty on attacks made with all of its off hands. (It has one primary hand, and all the others are off hands.) See Two-Weapon Fighting in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.

Special: This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat for creatures with more than two arms.

"PRD-Two-Weapon Fighting wrote:

Benefit: Your penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons are reduced. The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6. See Two-Weapon Fighting in Combat.

Normal: If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. When fighting in this way you suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand. If your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light."

PRD-Combat->Two Weapon Fighting wrote:

If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6.

Table: Two-weapon Fighting Penalties summarizes the interaction of all these factors.

The point in question is what is the penatly for the creature fighting with multiweapon attack?

Is it -2 for primary and -2 for off hands?
Or is it -4 for primary and -4 for off hands?

Only Two-Weapon fighting mentions reducing the penatly by 2 if the off hand weapon is light. Multiweapon Fighting does NOT state this.

Yes it states see two weapon fighting in the core rule book, but two weapon fighting on deals with one main hand and one off hand. It does not state off hand(s). It would have taken just a few more words to say "reduce penatly of off hand attack(s) by 2" instead of saying "see two-weapon fighting."

I tried searching for any developer input if anybody knows of a thread where this has already been laid to rest please let me know.


OgeXam wrote:
I tried searching for any developer input if anybody knows of a thread where this has already been laid to rest please let me know.

Same here on the quote.

I have been looking at this alot recently it seems the most reasonable thing to do is as per MWF Treat each extra hand as an "off hand". IN the combat section description replace "second" weapon with "third" weapon, then "fourth" weapon, etc..

When applying it to TWF use the table in the combat section for negatives. So yes a lite weapon in ALL the off hand(s) would reduce the penalty, but as soon as you pickup 1 non light weapon in ANY of the "off hands" you are no longer satisfying that rule.

That is how I read it and feel the ruling should be.
Unfortunately I believe in the rules but feel this is a bit gimmicky and needs Errata to fix it so it does not become abused by the Summoner class, or anything else that lets a PC purchase or attain extra limbs with hands.

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The multiweapon fighting feat is just the feat. It is the two-weapon fighting feat for creatures with three or more arms (in fact, the feat description states this). You still need to refer to the two-weapon fighting description in the Combat chapter for all of the nuances (i.e. using light weapons in the off hand).

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