I liked it to but really would have liked a bibliography that cited all the sources where Kas and Vecna have been mentioned.
The first creators liked Jack Vance's magic system so much they used it for their game.
And rearranged his name to make their master wizard.
4 doesn't follow the whole "All the planes literally exist at the same time and are connected through Planescape" weirdness, so when it talks about the Vistani, it typically talks about the Vistani as they exist in the "PoL" base setting rather then setting how it is for all settings, since the settings in 4e are kept distinct.
it typically talks about the Vistani as they exist in the "PoL" base setting rather then setting how it is for all settings, since the settings in 4e are kept distinct.
Heh, distinct except for making them all use versions of the PoL cosmology, 4e PoL core races even if they didn't exist in those settings before, other PoL tropes made mandatory, etc.
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According to the article Vistani come from or travel in the Shadowfell, which is also where Vecna did his prison stint. The Shadowfell in 4e is somewhat analogous to the Ethereal based Ravenloft I guess.Where the heck was their Castle Ravenloft board game set then, if they axed Ravenloft? Did Strahd's ancestral pile get relocated to the Shadowfell? Or was it not grounded in any of their settings?
Well, as a board game it doesn't need to be set anywhere. In any case, Castle Ravenloft existed before the plane of Ravenloft. So you can probably put Castle Ravenloft where you like.
The first creators liked Jack Vance's magic system so much they used it for their game.
And rearranged his name to make their master wizard.
Mind=Blown
According to the article Vistani come from or travel in the Shadowfell, which is also where Vecna did his prison stint. The Shadowfell in 4e is somewhat analogous to the Ethereal based Ravenloft I guess.Where the heck was their Castle Ravenloft board game set then, if they axed Ravenloft? Did Strahd's ancestral pile get relocated to the Shadowfell? Or was it not grounded in any of their settings?
There's totally a Ravenloft! If you want there to be!
Like I said, it was really second edition that pushed for this idea that all the settings literally existed side by side with each other and were all somehow connected. In 4e, the default is literally "However you want it to be." If you want there to be Ravenloft then there is. If you want Sigil connecting all the various settings then go for it. On the other hand, if you don't want those...then they aren't there.
it typically talks about the Vistani as they exist in the "PoL" base setting rather then setting how it is for all settings, since the settings in 4e are kept distinct.Heh, distinct except for making them all use versions of the PoL cosmology, 4e PoL core races even if they didn't exist in those settings before, other PoL tropes made mandatory, etc.
Not really? As was stated earlier, Dark Sun rebuffs this rather strongly. Eberron takes a few cues from it but otherwise stays the same.
Hmm. Now I'm starting to wonder if Wizards of the Coast have abandoned any further specific setting plans and their current strategy is now simply to cannabilise what they want and fit it into their generic Points of Light setting?
Do they have any more settings in their schedules at present? If not it may be more than a slightly revamped Vecna & Kas that turn up in their Points of Light world in the next few years...
PoL isn't really a setting in the same sense that Forgotten Realms and Dark Sun and Eberron are. It's more of a set of plot hooks with a vague history to provide ruins and dungeons.
It's sorta how early Greyhawk was - emphasis is on plot hooks rather then set in stone details.
Ahhhh, now I see. The Points of Light setting is getting too fixed, too rigid to them. Ah well, only one thing to do. Have Vecna start a godswar or whatever, causing a Year of Ultimate Death or something. This will destroy every sort of city, town, and even smaller communities, and make the few survivors huddle in remaining caves. With the 56.000-year time jump they add, it's safe to assume that the Truly Vast distances between surviving people has made everything living (or undead, the Vecna-WSI also negated magic) extinct. Ummm...
Don't mind me, I'm just old and bitter. =)
Perhaps its just that I feel old when I hear what came companies do to their campaign settings...
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*facepalms for not realizing it before*The first creators liked Jack Vance's magic system so much they used it for their game.
And rearranged his name to make their master wizard.
Tricky, tricky.
>Goes all in on the facepalming action<
I know! Right?!
I feel such the poor Vance fan now :(
Greg