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Hi. I am playing a cleric of Cayden Cailean in the middle of a Kingmaker Adventure and after playing the character for sometime, I realize that one of my Cleric's domains no longer suits my character in terms of story/flavor.
He has the Love sub-domain, but since certain NPCs tied him up and almost killed him, he doesn't seem to be very loving anymore. He is still good and is still all for Cayden Cailean.
Can/should a cleric change his/her domains?

Lathiira |

Currently, there are no rules for changing domains unless you change patron deities that I'm aware of. I'd probably allow it after a suitable period of introspection (drinking) and meditation (hangover), say, when you level up. Maybe at worst you go a level with one less domain as you do some soul-searching (more drinking, a bit of adventuring and wenching) to figure out what's most important to you in your relationship with Cayden.

thepuregamer |
Currently, there are no rules for changing domains unless you change patron deities that I'm aware of. I'd probably allow it after a suitable period of introspection (drinking) and meditation (hangover), say, when you level up. Maybe at worst you go a level with one less domain as you do some soul-searching (more drinking, a bit of adventuring and wenching) to figure out what's most important to you in your relationship with Cayden.
It sounds like whenever your players switch a domain, they end up with permanent liver damage and a incurable std.

Lathiira |

Lathiira wrote:Currently, there are no rules for changing domains unless you change patron deities that I'm aware of. I'd probably allow it after a suitable period of introspection (drinking) and meditation (hangover), say, when you level up. Maybe at worst you go a level with one less domain as you do some soul-searching (more drinking, a bit of adventuring and wenching) to figure out what's most important to you in your relationship with Cayden.It sounds like whenever your players switch a domain, they end up with permanent liver damage and a incurable std.
I was merely suggesting how the process might work for Cayden. For Pharasma, such a process might involve the same introspection (prayers) and meditation (while digging graves), maybe with more soul-searching (a true vision quest, maybe after delivering a few babies and uttering a prophecy or two). Maybe Asmodeus favors a similar process (full of flogging the subordinates, oppressing the masses, and a few virgin sacrifices)? The main point is I'd allow it, given suitable effort in-game to represent the change in priorities for the cleric.

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Currently, there are no rules for changing domains unless you change patron deities that I'm aware of. I'd probably allow it after a suitable period of introspection (drinking) and meditation (hangover), say, when you level up. Maybe at worst you go a level with one less domain as you do some soul-searching (more drinking, a bit of adventuring and wenching) to figure out what's most important to you in your relationship with Cayden.
There are no rules for domain switching? or even if domains, once chosen are permanent???
Can someone clarify this? Thanks.

Kydeem de'Morcaine |

There are no rules for domain switching? or even if domains, once chosen are permanent???
Can someone clarify this? Thanks.
I believe by RAW they are permanent.
But every GM I've had would let you switch one with in-character reason (which you have). Would probably require going a level with only 1 domain and an attonement spell. Maybe for a real lawful god a quest might be needed.

Lathiira |

Lathiira wrote:Currently, there are no rules for changing domains unless you change patron deities that I'm aware of. I'd probably allow it after a suitable period of introspection (drinking) and meditation (hangover), say, when you level up. Maybe at worst you go a level with one less domain as you do some soul-searching (more drinking, a bit of adventuring and wenching) to figure out what's most important to you in your relationship with Cayden.There are no rules for domain switching? or even if domains, once chosen are permanent???
Can someone clarify this? Thanks.
I'm being as clear as possible. Look through the entire section on clerics in the Core rules and you'll find no mention of being able to switch domains. This differs from fighters, who can retrain a feat from time to time, and from bards and sorcerers, who can retrain a spell on occasion. Thus, to answer the first half of the original question, no, RAW, 'twould seem that your domains are set in stone once chosen. Now, many GMs might allow you to change them if a new book is allowed at the table. And based on my comments, I think it's obvious that I feel that under the proper in-game circumstances you should be able to change them. But it shouldn't be done routinely; your domains are a reflection regarding how you feel about your god and his/her/its role in the universe as well as your own role in your deity's grand scheme. Therefore, you shouldn't be changing domains without some serious consideration of your role and your god's.

Khuldar |

I'd suggest the atonement spell as a way to do it. RAW I don't think you can, but I don't see it as game breaking. Domains are core to the personality and faith of a cleric, you shouldn't be changing them casually. But it sounds like you aren't doing it lightly.
One thing to consider is "why?" It sounds like you have an in-game reason to change, and aren't doing it for power. So I'd let it fly. If you had just found a new, more powerful, domain in a splatbook and just wanted a mechanical power boost, I'd say "no"

thepuregamer |
thepuregamer wrote:I was merely suggesting how the process might work for Cayden. For Pharasma, such a process might involve the same introspection (prayers) and meditation (while digging graves), maybe with more soul-searching (a true vision quest, maybe after delivering a few babies and uttering a prophecy or two). Maybe Asmodeus favors a similar process (full of flogging the subordinates, oppressing the masses, and a few virgin sacrifices)? The main point is I'd allow it, given suitable effort in-game to represent the change in priorities for the cleric.Lathiira wrote:Currently, there are no rules for changing domains unless you change patron deities that I'm aware of. I'd probably allow it after a suitable period of introspection (drinking) and meditation (hangover), say, when you level up. Maybe at worst you go a level with one less domain as you do some soul-searching (more drinking, a bit of adventuring and wenching) to figure out what's most important to you in your relationship with Cayden.It sounds like whenever your players switch a domain, they end up with permanent liver damage and a incurable std.
I thought you were purely making a joke. So I joked around thinking of what all the drinking and wenching would lead to.