So now with all the splat books out, how can you quickly amp up Strength at low levels? Obviously you could spend a fortune on potions and the like, but in terms of reliable, cheap and repeatable boosts, what can you do?
You could:
Human/Half-Elf/Half-Orc with a Strength of 20, plus Barbarian 1 and Alchemist 1
At second level have a 28 Strength.
There is the Cleric Domain of Strength, but it would take 4 levels of Cleric to squeeze out +2 more in Strength. There has to be a quicker way.
There is the Strength Surge Rage Power for the Barbarian, however it is situational and doesn't feed a direct bonus into Strength as a whole.
You could squeeze out another +2 Strength with the Ragechemist in UC by taking one more level of Alchemist, that would get you to 30 Strength at level 3, though the Ragechemist has some serious vulnerabilities that go with that boost.
Anything else? Is there a way to get to Strength 32 by 4th level without relying on magic items or spells?
A Man in Black has my sentiments exactly. Why in all the Golarion world would you need 32 strength at fourth level? I have a fighter in one of my campaigns that has 23 strength at fifth level and he does pretty darn well.
Mok wrote: Anything else? Is there a way to get to Strength 32 by 4th level without relying on magic items or spells? Transmuter Wizard gets a +1 STR (or DEX or CON).
Level 4 gives +1 STR.
That's 32 at level 4.
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MendedWall12 wrote: A Man in Black has my sentiments exactly. Why in all the Golarion world would you need 32 strength at fourth level? I have a fighter in one of my campaigns that has 23 strength at fifth level and he does pretty darn well. I'm not questioning the need for the exercise, really, just wondering what the goal is. Hit things really hard? Lift a carriage? Except for the rare STR check, Strength doesn't do anything on its own but increase some derived stats, like melee attack/damage, bow damage, skills, and carrying capacity. There are methods to get each of those other than strength, and a lot of them come along with strength or synergize with it.
Well, if your job is melee, high Str at the lower levels is paramount to that. The higher it is, the better you are. 32 at 4th is pretty crazy tho. Serious one-shot capability.
Do you want to get ultra-high Str just for the fun of it? Otherwise the best advice I can give is to increase Dex or Con instead. If you increase your Str so much you will deal far much more damage than needed to kill most low-level monsters, you won't get all the benefits from your investment.
TriOmegaZero wrote: Well, if your job is melee, high Str at the lower levels is paramount to that. The higher it is, the better you are. 32 at 4th is pretty crazy tho. Serious one-shot capability. Right but I think if you are simply going from the point of view of melee effectiveness, the MIB has a point. A barbarian 7 will probably hit harder then a barb1/alchemist1/wizard1/cleric4 regardless of strength score most of the time. If its simply a thought experiment, then thats fine, but from a point of view of actual optimization it isn't going to do a huge amount of good.
Kolokotroni wrote: A barbarian 7 will probably hit harder then a barb1/alchemist1/wizard1/cleric4 regardless of strength score most of the time. Whyzat? The iterative attack?
MendedWall12 wrote: A Man in Black has my sentiments exactly. Why in all the Golarion world would you need 32 strength at fourth level? I have a fighter in one of my campaigns that has 23 strength at fifth level and he does pretty darn well. Just a mental exercise, no need to poop.
I just like to see the limits of the system. It's like jumping into Grand Theft Auto and shooting everything in sight, just to see what happens.
Mok wrote: So now with all the splat books out, how can you quickly amp up Strength at low levels? Obviously you could spend a fortune on potions and the like, but in terms of reliable, cheap and repeatable boosts, what can you do? The Growth subdomain gets you quickened Enlarge Person for a number of rounds per day; that's almost as "reliable, cheap and repeatable" as barbarian rage, I think.
hogarth wrote:
The Growth subdomain gets you quickened Enlarge Person for a number of rounds per day; that's almost as "reliable, cheap and repeatable" as barbarian rage, I think.
Yeah, it's only for a round, but you can do it while raging because it is supernatural, hulk out for a round to smack people with reach and spike Strength to 30 or 32 depending on being 3rd or 4th level.
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TriOmegaZero wrote: Kolokotroni wrote: A barbarian 7 will probably hit harder then a barb1/alchemist1/wizard1/cleric4 regardless of strength score most of the time. Whyzat? The iterative attack? Well certainly that helps but its more then that. The combo class will only be able to rage for a handful of rounds or use mutagen once, but the full barbarian will have alot more rage, along with several rage powers to use, though I admit the growth cleric ability might just be worth the 4 level dip. Swift action enlarge 3+times per day is pretty badass.
If you added Mule Chords, which a 4th level character could easily afford at 1000gp, then you could have an effective Strength of 40 for purposes of encumbrance. If you pick up a boulder in the round that you enlarge then you could lift up to 2128 pounds as a light load with a move action and then toss it as a standard action.
If only there were clear, universal, rules for throwing big heavy objects as improvised weapons. I suspect tossing literally a ton of rock on something would do quite a bit of damage.
If not throwing, this character (while enlarged) could push or drag 32000 pounds, or 16 tons. That's around the weight of a typical public transit bus.
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