Clarifying Sneak Attack


Rules Questions


My primary question is: can you Sneak attack on an AoO? Such as when flanking and the foe casts a spell?

Can you SA when you have concealment? When the foe has concealment? When you both have concealment?

Can you SA when the foe or you have cover?


OberonViking wrote:

:

can you Sneak attack on an AoO?

Yes.

OberonViking wrote:


Such as when flanking and the foe casts a spell?

Yes.

OberonViking wrote:


Can you SA when you have concealment?

Yes.

OberonViking wrote:


When the foe has concealment?

No.

OberonViking wrote:


When you both have concealment?

No.

OberonViking wrote:


Can you SA when the foe or you have cover?

Hm. Not sure. Yes, I think.


What most people probably forget most of the time, areas of dim light already gives everyone concealment, and makes SA impossible, unless the rogue has darkvision.


OberonViking wrote:

Can you SA when you have concealment? When the foe has concealment? When you both have concealment?

It depends how you get concealment.

If a spell gives you concealment (which is not the same as a miss chance) you get concealment, the enemy doesn't, you can SA.

A square that grants concealment can give concealment to many characters, as long as the Line of Sight touches the square. Terrain usually requires some DM adjudication.
I.e. if you stand in a square with 2 meter tall vegetation on it, your enemies suffer concealment, and the enemies gain concealment from you because you can't see nothing but giant plants. But the DM will prolly allow a character to spent some kind of action to find a spot (or move the plants) from where you can attack enemies without penalties while still gaining concealment.
Each terrain would work in a different way.


Hyla Arborea wrote:
OberonViking wrote:


When the foe has concealment?
No.

No, but there was either a feat or rogue talent that allowed rogue to sneak attack target that had concealment (but not total concealment).


There is a note I remember near the concealment rule that lets you circumstantially reduce or add concealment.

In deem light when you are right by your opponent it would be logical for him or you to not have concealment for each other but that specific circumstance could not be covered explicitly, the same for a thousand others I can think of right now.

All they could do was give you the choice of reducing concealment at the DM's discretion to cover it all.

As for the cover yes you can sneak attack but not make attacks of opportunity.


Drejk wrote:


No, but there was either a feat or rogue talent that allowed rogue to sneak attack target that had concealment (but not total concealment).

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Allia Thren wrote:

What most people probably forget most of the time, areas of dim light already gives everyone concealment, and makes SA impossible, unless the rogue has darkvision.

Er, do you mean low-light vision?


Jiggy wrote:
Allia Thren wrote:

What most people probably forget most of the time, areas of dim light already gives everyone concealment, and makes SA impossible, unless the rogue has darkvision.

Er, do you mean low-light vision?

Darkvision will always remove the concealment from dim light. Low light vision will sometimes do it. Low light vision lets you see twice as far, effectively doubling the range of normal light shed by light sources. If you have an object shedding normal light in a 20' radius and your target is 30' away from the source, they have concealment. If you have low-light vision, that radius is extended to 40', so they do not have concealment.

If you are in a cave which is universally filled with dim light, then low-light vision will not help you at all.


Bascaria wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Allia Thren wrote:

What most people probably forget most of the time, areas of dim light already gives everyone concealment, and makes SA impossible, unless the rogue has darkvision.

Er, do you mean low-light vision?

Darkvision will always remove the concealment from dim light. Low light vision will sometimes do it. Low light vision lets you see twice as far, effectively doubling the range of normal light shed by light sources. If you have an object shedding normal light in a 20' radius and your target is 30' away from the source, they have concealment. If you have low-light vision, that radius is extended to 40', so they do not have concealment.

If you are in a cave which is universally filled with dim light, then low-light vision will not help you at all.

But in that case normal light for you is up to 40 ft, not 20 ft, so you're in normal light, not dim light.

In dim light you still have to deal with the 20% miss chance and concealment.
Also dim light doesn't only happen from a torch or something, also a moonlit night is considered dim light, and low light vision doesn't help you at all there.

So yes, I indead meant darkvision.


Allia Thren wrote:
Bascaria wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Allia Thren wrote:

What most people probably forget most of the time, areas of dim light already gives everyone concealment, and makes SA impossible, unless the rogue has darkvision.

Er, do you mean low-light vision?

Darkvision will always remove the concealment from dim light. Low light vision will sometimes do it. Low light vision lets you see twice as far, effectively doubling the range of normal light shed by light sources. If you have an object shedding normal light in a 20' radius and your target is 30' away from the source, they have concealment. If you have low-light vision, that radius is extended to 40', so they do not have concealment.

If you are in a cave which is universally filled with dim light, then low-light vision will not help you at all.

But in that case normal light for you is up to 40 ft, not 20 ft, so you're in normal light, not dim light.

In dim light you still have to deal with the 20% miss chance and concealment.
Also dim light doesn't only happen from a torch or something, also a moonlit night is considered dim light, and low light vision doesn't help you at all there.

So yes, I indead meant darkvision.

...which is exactly what I was saying...

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