We're missing the bigger question...when did she get so stacked?
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Erm, Shalelu was blonde in Rise of the Runelords.
She had a green paint job during Second Darkness.
I've got the first volume of RotR open right in front of me, and her hair is green. It's greener in SD, but it's still green in her original pic. She's also got dark eyes in both of her other pictures, and blue eyes in the new one. I could see the argument that they're trying to bring Golarion elves back into a single standard or something, but her pupils are as wrong in this one as they were in RotR (which was corrected in SD).
I know it's a weird thing to be disappointed about, but it just bugs me.
She could have done worse, you know.
I personally think she looks a lot cooler.
You know. Without the bat wings.
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We're missing the bigger question...when did she get so stacked?
We've got Shalelu illustrated on the cover of the second volume as well—she's a LOT more on-model there than she is in the Player's Guide, where she does indeed have a much bigger chest than she should. She also has the wrong kind of eyes, alas—she should have elf eyes, not human eyes.
Sometimes, artists stray from the source is all, and when they do that at the last minute you have to decide to not run the art or just take what you get and print it anyway.
As for her hair... she's always been blonde. The image of her in earlier images was another of those unfortunate art situations. Elves don't normally have green hair. That's a gnome thing.
And as for her ears... elf ears sticking straight out to the sides like the letter "T" was one of the biggest causes of complaints we had in the early days. And I agreed with the complainers. Golarion elves have ears that stick UP, not out. Shalelu shouldn't be forced to have goofy ears her whole life simply because she was one of the first characters we chose to illustrate!
@James: I did mention that I am begging you to feature Ameiko and now Shalelus artwork from Mr. Reynolds on the blog, right? :D
@James: I did mention that I am begging you to feature Ameiko and now Shalelus artwork from Mr. Reynolds on the blog, right? :DYes... but the blog serves a lot of masters. Never more so than during convention season.
Well, cast them down and stand tall as master of the galax... err, Paizo! :p
I hope you can post that art. :)
Sometimes, artists stray from the source is all, and when they do that at the last minute you have to decide to not run the art or just take what you get and print it anyway.
Huh, I am almost 100% sure that you said that before, and 90% sure that it was exactly the same or almost the same wording, when speaking about image of another NPCs from earlier/later AP.
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Sometimes, artists stray from the source is all, and when they do that at the last minute you have to decide to not run the art or just take what you get and print it anyway.Huh, I am almost 100% sure that you said that before, and 90% sure that it was exactly the same or almost the same wording, when speaking about image of another NPCs from earlier/later AP.
Turns out that some artists like drawing boobies more than others as well. It can be annoying, especially in cases where the characters are things like elves who shouldn't have a big chest in the first place as a general rule.
Turns out that some artists like drawing boobies more than others as well. It can be annoying, especially in cases where the characters are things like elves who shouldn't have a big chest in the first place as a general rule.
Some people like exceptions to the rules.
Indeed, I wasn't complaining. Just...observing. Closely.
Turns out that some artists like drawing boobies more than others as well. It can be annoying, especially in cases where the characters are things like elves who shouldn't have a big chest in the first place as a general rule.Sometimes, artists stray from the source is all, and when they do that at the last minute you have to decide to not run the art or just take what you get and print it anyway.Huh, I am almost 100% sure that you said that before, and 90% sure that it was exactly the same or almost the same wording, when speaking about image of another NPCs from earlier/later AP.
It probably been about Merisiel previous time. Now Shalelu. Who will be the next victim of unasked boob job?
It probably been about Merisiel previous time. Now Shalelu. Who will be the next victim of unasked boob job?
Ten gold on Harsk.
It probably been about Merisiel previous time. Now Shalelu. Who will be the next victim of unasked boob job?Ten gold on Harsk.
Bag of orc teeth on Valeros.
Actually amongst players I know and play with the fact that female elves have small breasts on almost every plane of existence and every universe is something of a common knowledge. It would be weird to except largely endowed elf women, except for managa-influenced graphics.
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As for her hair... she's always been blonde. The image of her in earlier images was another of those unfortunate art situations. Elves don't normally have green hair. That's a gnome thing.
She is a ranger.
She is dyeing her hair green for camouflage purposes. In winter she will change the colour to white.Actually amongst players I know and play with the fact that female elves have small breasts on almost every plane of existence and every universe is something of a common knowledge. It would be weird to except largely endowed elf women, except for managa-influenced graphics.
Agreed.
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It's also us trying to diffierentiate between races. If the only difference between a human and an elf, physically, is that one has pointed ears and the other doesn't... that's lazy, in my opinion.
We've tried to give each of our races numerous physical characteristics so that you can use multiple different cues to recognize what race you're looking at. For elves, it's that they have long pointed ears, colorful eyes with no whites showing, and are more slender and taller than humans. You wouldn't really start getting a chesty elf, really, unless there's human DNA in their family line somewhere down the road.
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It's also us trying to diffierentiate between races. If the only difference between a human and an elf, physically, is that one has pointed ears and the other doesn't... that's lazy, in my opinion.
We've tried to give each of our races numerous physical characteristics so that you can use multiple different cues to recognize what race you're looking at. For elves, it's that they have long pointed ears, colorful eyes with no whites showing, and are more slender and taller than humans. You wouldn't really start getting a chesty elf, really, unless there's human DNA in their family line somewhere down the road.
Do you ever sit back, shake your head, and think to yourself: "This is my job, contemplating boob sizes of elves."?
Edit: I'm not jealous or anything, really ;)
This thread is highly amusing.
Agreed.
Shalelu has clearly always been blonde. She went swimming in a chlorinated pool prior to the earlier portrait being made. This is a well known phenomenon. I had that problem before my hair darkened as a result of my definitive turn toward Evil.
The question is: where did the poolside pics go?
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When dealing with fantasy realms, why let little downers like gravity and back problems interfere with outlandish boob physics and gratuitous cleavage? It certainly doesn't stop video game developers...
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When dealing with fantasy realms, why let little downers like gravity and back problems interfere with outlandish boob physics and gratuitous cleavage? It certainly doesn't stop video game developers...
Yes. When overdone (and it is far too common) I find it annoying.
Like I find annoying theoretically realistic armor that leave the upper chest bare to show the same cleavage.All good if it is some kind of dress or the gal don't use armor, but fastidious when she has an apparently good armor with a glaring hole in a vital area.
The assets of the archer in the pic in question would give her problems when using her bow too.
Meh, its just artwork, great artwork at that imho. I like the new Shalelu and Ameiko. I probably will never understand why folks get into an uproar about things like this.
It is a fantasy game after all.
Give back Shalelu long ears!
Yes, let elves be elves! Also, make them shorter than humans, damn.
Record of Lodoss War fans, unite and fight!
Sometimes, artists stray from the source is all, and when they do that at the last minute you have to decide to not run the art or just take what you get and print it anyway.
I know *I* wouldn't complain, but I'm not a subscriber, so how about putting up a poll...
You guys do some tremendous work there at Paizo, and we really love your stuff... but if you suspended people's AP subscriptions for 2 months in order to get AHEAD of your scheduling so that you could make last minute editing and art changes with lots of spare room, would people really mind?
I would actually be enthused to see you guys with even higher quality work, and I'm sure a lot of the other fans and subscribers wouldn't mind the gap if they weren't actually paying for it.
Plus you could see those family people you're supposed to be related to for more than a few minutes at a stretch between your ever-shrinking deadlines! :D
...if you suspended people's AP subscriptions for 2 months in order to get AHEAD of your scheduling so that you could make last minute editing and art changes with lots of spare room, would people really mind?
While subscribers could go either way (personally I'd be fine with it), I'm not sure that Paizo would enjoy going without its subscription income. If there's one thing I've learned being in a small business it's that cash flow is really, really important.
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Give back Shalelu long ears!
Record of Lodoss War fans, unite and fight!
Won't be happening as long as the current staff of Paizo is who they are. I'm not a fan of the sideways ears at all (nor am I a fan of Lodoss War, but that's for other reasons).
Elf ears go up like human ears do. They're just longer and pointer.
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You guys do some tremendous work there at Paizo, and we really love your stuff... but if you suspended people's AP subscriptions for 2 months in order to get AHEAD of your scheduling so that you could make last minute editing and art changes with lots of spare room, would people really mind?
I would actually be enthused to see you guys with even higher quality work, and I'm sure a lot of the other fans and subscribers wouldn't mind the gap if they weren't actually paying for it.
Plus you could see those family people you're supposed to be related to for more than a few minutes at a stretch between your ever-shrinking deadlines! :D
Not an option. Not only do I suspect the customer reaction would be universally NOOOOOOO, but it'd be that way from us here at Paizo as well.
Schedule disruptions hurt more than just customers getting their books late. From a production viewpoint, customers getting late books is actually irrelevant—that's a customer service issue and one that doesn't impact the production really at all (unless enough customers get sick of late books that they all stop buying our stuff, of course!).
What DOES cause problems when schedules go off (either because of accidents or because of something like a planned delay) are things like this:
Cash flow
Shipping schedules
Storage in the warehouse
Resources
Printing schedules
If something goes off schedule, it makes everything else go off schedule, because things like shipping and printing and creating and warehousing and delivering products all have their own set "windows" when they happen. If we delay one thing, we have to open a new window for things like shipping, storage, printing, etc. and that means pushing back things that were actually ON schedule to make room for the delay.
The only way we can really get "ahead" of schedule is in tiny little jumps at a time, mostly accomplished by working a bit harder so we can get things out a few days early. Schedules can handle variations of a few days or even a week... but once it gets beyond that, things get progressively insane.
The fact that our products are on a monthly schedule is both Paizo's greatest strength and Paizo's greatest challenge, in other words.
You guys do some tremendous work there at Paizo, and we really love your stuff... but if you suspended people's AP subscriptions for 2 months in order to get AHEAD of your scheduling so that you could make last minute editing and art changes with lots of spare room, would people really mind?
I would actually be enthused to see you guys with even higher quality work, and I'm sure a lot of the other fans and subscribers wouldn't mind the gap if they weren't actually paying for it.
Plus you could see those family people you're supposed to be related to for more than a few minutes at a stretch between your ever-shrinking deadlines! :D
While I honestly find art-to-description mismatches amusing (Carrion Crown: Wake of the Watcher), and the stories of those mismatches interesting (the shaitan genie in End of Eternity becoming a woman from a man due to a misunderstanding, the treasure elemental in The Sixfold Trial becoming a sewage-tainted water elemental), I would not want Paizo to stop shipping APs just because of art mishaps.
I would in fact posit that whoever does the art orders just whips the artists harder. Or threaten to in real life. If Paizo orders a "masculine, muscular genie with gem-like skin standing menacingly with a curved sword" and gets a buff looking tomboy chick with purple skin and a scimitar, one good public flogging will be enough for other artists to shakily and fearfully ask "Is this character a man or a woman" before drawing up something that makes the AP editor sigh and change entire sections of modules.
To that, I extend the notion that we should all be extremely grateful that, at least Shalelu is a woman in this art.