- MW greataxe (320 gp)
- Wand of Longstrider, ~10 charges
- Wand of CLW, ~10 charges
- Good-quality picknick
- 2 rental light horses for 1 day
- Enough money for comfortable living (including a potential dinner date) until the caravan leaves.
MW greataxe: 320 gp
Wand of Longstrider, 10 charges: 150 gp
Wand of CLW, 10 charges: 150 gp
Good-quality picknick: 1.1 gp
2 rental light horses for 1 day: 10.1 gp (not counting deposit)
Enough money for comfortable living (including a potential dinner date) until the caravan leaves: Regular meals are included with price of Inn. For a potential dinner date, I'd suggest keeping aside at least 11 gp for food and wine, but both cheaper and more expensive are of course possible.
And not to pressure you, but when you get a moment, please do let me know how much you intend to contribute to the Caravan fund, if anything. It's not an immediate right-now urgency, but I am planning on moving you all back out on the road before the end of the IRL weekend (with flextime in the city still continuing, of course.)
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Lio: Looks like I have enough money left for another glyph. If I can suggest a spell to be put on it, I'd probably go for a summoned Earth elemental. Tough as nails, power attacks, speaks Terran. What's not to like? :)
If the glyphs are easily visible from the outside, we might want to put the flashiest one on the royal carriage to make the decoy more credible.
Glyphs are nearly invisible. Which is a good thing, as it is relatively simple for an enemy to bypass them if they are spotted.
** spoiler omitted **
Lio: Looks like I have enough money left for another glyph. If I can suggest a spell to be put on it, I'd probably go for a summoned Earth elemental. Tough as nails, power attacks, speaks Terran. What's not to like? :)
If the glyphs are easily visible from the outside, we might want to put the flashiest one on the royal carriage to make the decoy more credible.
Thanks!
I've been discussing (in real life) with Myri and Mel the best placement of glyphs, and I'm currently thinking, it would be best to place them upon a small flat surface, such as a rock or a piece of wood for example. so they can be placed between Myri's traps and caltrops around the perimiter while we are camped at night (they are 5 square feet per lvl, and can be shaped) and store them in (or on the outside attached to one of the wagons while we are traveling (that way there are less issues with forgetting to utter a password and setting off a glyph accidentally. I can make anything tiny or smaller be exempt from affecting the glyph, which means we could have a problem with rodents, but would also mean, birds or random forest animals won't set the glyph off accidentally. We'll need to keep an eye out to make sure that while we're on the road, other travelers don't get too near to the wagon with the glyphs in it, but with some careful positioning of the objects the glyphs are on, it should be doable. Since we will know the size/shape of the glyphs.
If that's too complicated, or doesn't make sense, maybe Mel, who is way better at this technical explanation stuff than me, can chime in...
And of course, Kyrademon, please correct me if I'm wrong...
:)
I can see what pissed Lio off: I had missed her post asking for silence, and then acted against it (though when she actually did explode, it was in a quite unrelated situation, which confused me to no end). It took a conversation with Shae and some OOC let's-make-sure-we-players-are-OK to set things straight. But clearly, the magnitude and below-the-beltness of her attack showed that she had been venting a larger store of pent-up anger than just that. In my clearing-the-air talk with her, it came out that she felt Hrunndalf had not cared to build up a personal relationship with her.
As you can see, the new incident with Mel mirrors Lio's situation in a baffling number of aspects. Again, I can understand the misunderstanding that triggered the (at least not delayed) explosion, though Mel's overreaction again betrays a much bigger problem with Hrunndalf. Again, the lack of personal smalltalk seems to be a key issue.
Thinking back, I don't recall Lio or Mel ever asking Hrunndalf about his personal life (incidentally, only Myri and Rhost (!) did, as far as I can tell). For some reason, it doesn't seem to work that way. He is expected to win their favor (back?). The fact that people like to have their social activities in closed cliques of 2–3 doesn't exactly help.
What's Hrunndalf's "original sin"? I had tried to roleplay his maxed-out Diplomacy from the start, but unlike combat prowess, it's really hard to fake if you lack the still in Real Life. What toes did Hrunndalf step on early on to establish himself as antisocial and chauvinist? Is it just that people resent his competitive relationship with Ameiko? It can't be the "big dumb fighter" stereotype either, because Rhost lives that archetype even more explicitly, and is liked by everyone.
If I'm missing something obvious, please do tell me. Hrunndalf's cluelessness is not roleplay, I seriously don't get it. Assume you're talking to Sheldon if that helps.
(Oh yeah: It doesn't seem to be universal. Hrunndalf gets along just well with Kalimac, Rhost, Myri, and the NPCs. Yes, I'm including Ameiko in that; although we had a fight, it was completely transparent, we spoke plain text, and were therefore able to resolve it and move on. The same is true about Alaric, though he seems to have a bit of a negative predisposition that, I think, predates the thrall incident. And of course, he gets angry whenever Mel gets angry at Hrunndalf. I think that may be the key issue: These characters operate less on assumptions and extrapolations, and more on straight communication taken at face value. But I don't mean to push the blame from me here; I'm sure I'm missing something.)
Sorry for the rant. I should bring a book for the next train ride. ;o)
granted after she tried to talk to him a few times and got ignored, she figured that she was just something annoying that he put up with so that he could be around Ameiko, but she was okay with that.
And Rhost doesn't play the dumb fighter, he plays a quiet one. And even without speaking he manages to interact with people, so that we know he cares about us.
However, Hrunndalf's actions at Ravenscrag upset Mel and made it that she does not trust him.
And this is all IC for Mel, but I'm tired so that may have come off wrong.
And this is all IC for Mel, but I'm tired so that may have come off wrong.
Well, I was ranting, so even if you weren't tired I'd understand.
granted after she tried to talk to him a few times at got ignored,
Not quite sure what you mean here. Are you referring to the very first part of the game? From that time, I mostly remember Mel saying things like "is it culturally appropriate where you come from never to grow out of the age where you kick the girl you like?". ;)
However, Hrunndalf's actions at Ravenscrag upset Mel and made it that she does not trust him.
And drawing a complete blank here. Are you talking about the "Verdant Grace" thing? The infernal spell that made Mr. Bear behead Kimo? Hugging Ameiko?! Or do you mean the diplomatic screw-up at the guildhall earlier...?
Not quite sure what you mean here. Are you referring to the very first part of the game? From that time, I mostly remember Mel saying things like "is it culturally appropriate where you come from never to grow out of the age where you kick the girl you like?". ;)
Which was a conversation that Mel started :).
Nah there were a few other things (not many) that Mel said to Hrunndalf that were completely blown off, but they weren't that important and I (the human player) just assumed that you missed them when you read the boards. Mel on the other hand just assumed (frankly rightly so) that she wasn't important to Hrunndalf's world view and would prefer her to leave him alone. She was fine with this.
As for Ravenscrag, not any of those things ~ although the Verdant green annoyed her at the time. Since lies that are contrary to a person's knowledge grant huge bonuses to the Sense Motive. But that kind of thing is forgiven amongst party members.
The healing on Ameiko was after combat, when spell resources were again expendable.
not counting purchases made today, which are not yet on the character sheet, i believe i am leveled.
not counting purchases made today, which are not yet on the character sheet, i believe i am leveled.
Liothonae, your Constitution damage will have healed by now.
Also, I don't think you've updated your relationship to reflect Boot Gifts and Koya being shown the town.
Other than that, Liothonae is APPROVED.
I believe it's just Rhost and Hrunndalf still making final decisions now, yes?
Alright, several things:
- I am planning to start up a local Pathfinder group in Leiden that I'd be DMing, so I will have to cut down on my time spent with this game sooner or later. I'm already spending way too much of my time on it (much of which should probably be spent on sleep or work instead). I don't just want to quit, because it's been fun so far, I've invested a lot of time already, and Ry assures me a low level of participation is fine.
- As a transitional measure, I'm going to restrict myself to at most one hour per day. When I joined the game, I was aiming at a low involvement level, but got sucked into it more than I had foreseen. Even so, apparently the time invested was not enough to keep an overview of everything that was happening, and to give everybody their due attention, so overall it has done Hrunndalf more harm than good. I had probably also invested too much of my limited resources on the "gaming" aspect of increasing relationship stats with the NPCs. It should therefore be beneficial all around if I go back to the initial plan of low time investment.
- Some characters have been complaining about Hrunndalf's lack of personal conversation with them. Clearly, I don't have the means to make this better any time soon now. We can rule that Hrunndalf is going to speak more with those characters off-screen, resolving the tension, or just continue under the assumption that he is not as social as people would like him to be. Either is fine with me.
- While the level of passive (and occasionally active) aggression Hrunndalf has been getting from several characters is certainly realistic in-game, it is starting to cross the character/player boundary for me, and encroaching on my enjoyment of the game. I am increasingly frustrated with being shouted at, and people's preference of being intentionally obfuscational rather than speaking to me, while in Hrunndalf's skin. Now, hopefully reducing my involvement will help me distance myself from the game and naturally resolve the problem. I'd like to point out here that it's entirely my problem, not yours. I don't want anyone to feel obliged to censor or alter their characters' reactions to Hrunndalf.
- For the record, I wouldn't have had the slightest idea what the "healing spell" issue was that people are talking about right now if it weren't for information from my OOC discussion with Mel. Likewise, other characters had grievances with Hrunndalf that only came to light later and with much beating-around-the-bush. If anyone would like to hear Hrunndalf's side on such things, they will have to talk to him. Directly. In plain text. I'd much rather address these things in character.
I believe it's just Rhost and Hrunndalf still making final decisions now, yes?
I think I'm going to stick to my current feat and revelation choices.
Hey, Hrunndalf. I have a couple of comments related to the above.
1) I am pretty sure that the current tactics session was in part (not in whole, but in part) intended as a way to attempt discuss certain things your character did in Ravenscraeg that made some other characters upset WITHOUT yelling at him, jumping all over him, etc. I get the sense you feel you are being attacked there (probably in part because of a recent spoilered scene in which a character did get mad at Hrunndalf and some of this started to come out beforehand), but I do think that people are aware that the anger-at-Hrunndalf stuff was starting to affect ooc enjoyment.
What you may currently see as beating around the bush, not telling you, not getting to the point, I strongly suspect is an attempt to introduce the subject in a less confrontational way.
2) I also suspect that Hrunndalf not talking to people is actually much less of an issue than how he sometimes talks to people when he does, but the nature of that has been a little difficult to get at, so it has been tricky to get across. I do not think I should weigh in too much on this as GM, and it should probably be discussed IC if it gets discussed.
3) Cutting down on your time is fine if you want and/or need to. The only thing I would request, if you're really going to cut down sharply, is that we privately discuss the issue of combat resolution, as that can become a concern especially with time zone differences. This is something I have also discussed with other players who temporarily or long-term found themselves with limited posting time.
This is response to spoilered IC post #549.
I am sad to report the bard mentioned in this post, passed recently. I am sure she will be missed by all who experienced her works.
Yes. And that post was intended to be something of an homage to her.
Anne McCaffrey 1926-2011. From an uncountable number of present and former teens with read-to-tatters copies of her books.
I figured Kyrademon was alluding to something, but I couldn't place it.
So, my current plan is to move you back on the road tomorrow morning my time. Flex time, in Kalsgard and afterwards, will not be reset and will likely continue for some time.
General on-the-road updates will be by the week. Any "Caravan"-style encounters will be handled in these updates. Normal-style encounters will be noted in these updates and then further played out as they play out.
I'm going to start noting things like general weather, date, and time and distance from Sandpoint in these updates so you have a sense of how far you're traveling, how much time it's taking, how difficult or easy it is, etc.
I'm hoping this will work well. If adjustments prove necessary, I will of course make them. It looks like the 8th level point will most likely get hit somewhere between two and three months after you leave Kalsgard, but that depends somewhat on certain choices you make.
Unless people choose to move, the wagon occupancy will be as follows.
Any NPC who has already spent time living in their wagon cannot be moved without an IC request. NPCs who have not yet traveled with the Caravan (Ulf, Jorun, Buttersnips, Suishen, Skygni, Uksahkka, Helgarval) or who are new to their current wagon (Spivey) can be moved as a result of either IC request or OOC discussion.
Supply Wagon 1 (2 spaces): Bevelek, Vankar
Supply Wagon 2 (2 spaces): Kelda, Tollin
Fortune Teller's Wagon (2 spaces): Sandru, Koya
Armored Wagon 1 (6 spaces): Rhost, Hrunndalf, Kalimac, Attatoq, Ulf, Jorun
Armored Wagon 2 (6 spaces): Myriana, Silmemir, Buttersnips, Liothonae, Shalelu, Ameiko
Covered Wagon (6 spaces): Alaric, Melinda, Suishen (takes up no space), Zaiobe, Reta
Royal Wagon (4 spaces): Spivey (takes up no space), Skygni (takes up 2 spaces), Uksahkka
Variable: Helgarval (takes up no space)
I can't locate if you mentioned it anywhere, but, did we account for purchasing winter gear for Jorun? I/e Blanket, clothes, etc...
if not, i will buy it for him. I was going to give him my spare set of leather armor, and ask him in character if he can use a bow. Otherwise I will sell my extra long bow... but if he can use it, I figured I might as well give it to him if he does not have one. Which I assume he does not. But I suppose I'll find out in character if he does. Also basics like soap and a towel and some extra clothing?
Unless people choose to move, the wagon occupancy will be as follows.
Any NPC who has already spent time living in their wagon cannot be moved without an IC request. NPCs who have not yet traveled with the Caravan (Ulf, Jorun, Buttersnips, Suishen, Skygni, Uksahkka, Helgarval) or who are new to their current wagon (Spivey) can be moved as a result of either IC request or OOC discussion.
Supply Wagon 2 (2 spaces): Kelda, Tollin
Armored Wagon 1 (6 spaces): Rhost, Hrunndalf, Kalimac, Attatoq, Ulf, Jorun
Armored Wagon 2 (6 spaces): Myriana, Silmemir, Buttersnips, Liothonae, Shalelu, Ameiko
Royal Wagon (4 spaces): Spivey (takes up no space), Skygni (takes up 2 spaces), Uksahkka
I realize this will have to come up in character, but putting some ooc feelers out first to get an idea of what you guys think:
as a thought, Jorun is pretty damaged from his experiences as a slave, and it might be less jarring for him if he is in a quiet wagon with Tollin.
Maybe Rhost and Kelda would like to be in the Royal carriage with SKygni and Spivey? Uksahkka could go in the covered wagon since it has 2 available spaces.
*also, what happened to the idea of a decoy in the royal wagon? i recall someone mentioning that...
All excellent points. Frankly, the idea of someone attacking the royal wagon and getting a face full of barbarian and giant wolf tickles me.
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He cannot use a longbow. The leather armor would be welcome, however.
I'm also in favor of not placing Uksahkka in the royal carriage. She's already suffered collateral damage indirectly triggered by us; no need to provoke more of that.
Rhost certainly would be willing to move into the Royal Carriage.
That puts the current suggested arrangement as follows (with Kelda needing to be asked IC if she is willing to move):
Supply Wagon 1 (2 spaces): Bevelek, Vankar
Supply Wagon 2 (2 spaces): Tollin, Jorun
Fortune Teller's Wagon (2 spaces): Sandru, Koya
Armored Wagon 1 (6 spaces): Hrunndalf, Kalimac, Attatoq, Ulf
Armored Wagon 2 (6 spaces): Myriana, Silmemir, Buttersnips, Liothonae, Shalelu, Ameiko
Covered Wagon (6 spaces): Alaric, Melinda, Suishen (takes up no space), Zaiobe, Reta, Uksahkka
Royal Wagon (4 spaces): Spivey (takes up no space), Skygni (takes up 2 spaces), Kelda, Rhost
Variable: Helgarval (takes up no space)
*also, what happened to the idea of a decoy in the royal wagon? i recall someone mentioning that...
Definitely worth a try. Currently Kelda is the most queen-like occupant of that wagon; a mannequin in expensive Tien clothing could well save her life.
...and I believe Rhost is leveled.
Definitely worth a try. Currently Kelda is the most queen-like occupant of that wagon; a mannequin in expensive Tien clothing could well save her life.
I support any situation that involves Rhost living with a mannequin.
Hrunndalf, Improved Trip should be on your list of feats (from the Maneuver Mastery revelation).
Other than that, Hrunndalf is APPROVED.
Rhost is APPROVED.
(Terran is Yiddish, by the way.)
(Terran is Yiddish, by the way.)
I am considering taking Aklo in the future -- because I think it's neat-looking.
New Aklo or Old Aklo?
We used to use Urdu for Aklo: کے لئے ہم اردو کے لئے استعمال کرتے تھے
But then Urdu got accidentally assigned to Abyssal, to Aklo got switched to Telugu: మేము కోసం ఉర్దూ ఉపయోగించారు
On the other hand, Aklo-as-Urdu has come up IC in game, and Abyssal really hasn't, so maybe we should just switch those two back around ...
Telugu shows up as Little Boxes of Failure in my browser. Do I need a dedicated font for that?
I thought we had picked the languages for Celestial, Infernal, and Abyssal to look similar because they were related in-game. Seems a pity to change that.
Telugu shows up as Little Boxes of Failure in my browser. Do I need a dedicated font for that?
Me too. I think we do need a font for that. Or we need to upgrade to Lion. (I believe you're on a Mac too, Hrunndalf?)
(and I know how you feel, since I can't check the forum as often as the rest of the guys who can post while they're at work)
Problem is, I can post while I'm at work. It's been eating up a lot of time (and I mean a lot) that I'm rather supposed to use towards getting a permanent position anytime soon. It's one of the reasons I'm dialing it back now.
There was one incomplete side-thread that I wanted to finish up first, which is why I still posted several times a day in the last two days. Now for the weaning...
Me too. I think we do need a font for that. Or we need to upgrade to Lion. (I believe you're on a Mac too, Hrunndalf?)
Yeah, MacOS 10.6.8.
Have we already exhausted the other strange-looking languages in Google Translate?
If all else fails, we might as well use the same transcription for two different languages. Usually the spoiler tag marks what language is intended anyway.
Or we can free up Yiddish by rolling back to my Latin-alphabet transcription thing. "Hû punga rûpog gêum ghak! Huk bâdh hang huntloshueng heth hyak huk sheingog rûp." ;o)
If all else fails, we might as well use the same transcription for two different languages.
There are still languages left, so I'd rather not take this option. Although the multiple languages has sometimes been a headache (I really should make a cheat sheet to keep track of them as I have for the NPCs, rather than trying to keep it all in my head, to prevent slip-ups just like this one ...), I've rather liked the effect and flavor that keeping all the languages different has added to the game.
There are still languages left, so I'd rather not take this option. Although the multiple languages has sometimes been a headache (I really should make a cheat sheet to keep track of them as I have for the NPCs, rather than trying to keep it all in my head, to prevent slip-ups just like this one ...), I've rather liked the effect and flavor that keeping all the languages different has added to the game.
Melinda has just such a cheat sheet on her character record sheet. I've taken to cribbing off it from time to time.
Melinda has just such a cheat sheet on her character record sheet. I've taken to cribbing off it from time to time.
Aww... that so sweet.
But to give credit where it is due, Rhost had one first... I was just copying him. However, I have started to add languages to the cheat sheet that Mel doesn't actually have, just because... because I thought they were pretty languages.
Abyssal is as logical for Rhost to take as Aklo. I like the look of Urdu, that's all. Telugu is similar enough to Kannada.
Not really germane to anything, but thought you guys might get a kick out of this.
I will be so sad if Mel never gets an opportunity to use fireball.
I will be so sad if Mel never gets an opportunity to use fireball.
Yeah, 'cause it's one of those obscure, highly situational spells that never comes up, really.
:)
Granted fireball probably will come up more often than Lock Gaze, which I still have never used. Or the other spell which has never been used in combat.