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Ok, if I'm reading my posts and the final combat posts right, Hrithik missed the Ogre, then hit it with area splash while closing, then hit it twice at close range, and should have done 28 points of fire damage. Curious as to how much damage everyone else pumped into the thing before Hrunndalf sliced its neck open, because that was one seriously badass, high-end Ogre.
We're lucky it was terminally stupid and sprayed its damage all around rather than focusing on people, or it would have flat-out murdered two or three of us. Yeesh.

Kyrademon |

Yup. You be facing opponents who are Advanced and have levels and stuff.
(Which technically means the Ogre, described in the AP as being a particularly dim-witted one, should somehow actually have a *higher* intelligence than the average Ogre. But since that made no sense whatsoever, I figured it must be all book-learnin' with no practical application. Existential philosophy and whatnot.)

Rhost Mab-i-gof |

Yup. You be facing opponents who are Advanced and have levels and stuff.
(Which technically means the Ogre, described in the AP as being a particularly dim-witted one, should somehow actually have a *higher* intelligence than the average Ogre. But since that made no sense whatsoever, I figured it must be all book-learnin' with no practical application. Existential philosophy and whatnot.)
Thank goodness Alaric didn't try to discuss his worldview with it. Thank goodness none of us tried.

liothonae cromvathar |

Wait... How can Mega Shark vs Crocosaurus be premiering on SciFi... when I saw it on SciFi months ago...
I'm feeling way too Malkavian.
i liked mega anaconda vs gatoroid. it was so bad! yet so fun! debbie gibson vs. tiffany! ahhh sci fi! <3
and no quoting vampire! i miss larp!

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I'm feeling way too Malkavian.
The Camarilla and your adventuring party:
Alaric: Toreador (entranced by the arts)
Hrithik: Tremere
Hrunndalf: Brujah
Kalimac: Ventrue
Liothonae: Gangrel (adopting Nosferatu pose)
Melinda: Malkavian
Myriana: Gangrel
Rhost: Brujah
Kyrademon: Setite Prince (seductive, irresistable)
(brings a whole new spin to the Caravan Consumption metric, and the function of scouts and cooks ...)

liothonae cromvathar |

liothonae cromvathar wrote:i liked mega anaconda vs gatoroid. it was so bad! yet so fun! debbie gibson vs. tiffany! ahhh sci fi! <3I have their separate seafood-on-the-rampage films, but not the one they did together. Which I do need to watch.
i warn you, it's bad, even for a Sci Fi movie, although i liked it. however i have been told i have questionable taste in films and thus my choice in good v.s bad movies should not be a basis for comparison. to clarify, my criteria for a good flick is explosions, violence, and sexiness, with bonuses thrown if in space, a fantasy, featuring martial arts, or car chases. i don't much like dramas, not really into chick flicks, although i do have a thing for angst and darkness. but back to the movie, it was fun, but not exceptional. i watched it more for the nostalgia and for the inevitable girl fight. the effects were poor, even for sci fi, but i guess compared to Gyver, (still one of my all time favorite movies) they've come a long way. and now that i've lost everyone's respect with my questionable taste, i will go back to lurking.

Rhost Mab-i-gof |

i warn you, it's bad, even for a Sci Fi movie, although i liked it.
Oh, you have thrown down the gauntlet. :) I differentiate between "good films" and "enjoyable films."
I would recommend Vampire Wars: Battle for the Universe as an enjoyable Sci-Fi movie (although it feels like a role-playing game underlies the whole thing), and Leprechaun 4: In Space pretty much to anyone at any time. Warwick Davis + Space Marines (who consistently call him "The Alien").

liothonae cromvathar |

i disagree on some points...
*I think Hrithik is a Ventrue. Sure he's an alechemist, but that doesn't necessarily make him a Tremere. It's not like he's a necromancer after all. He acts like a Ventrue.
*Kalimac is more of an old school Brujah. Not a true Brujah, but still, an old one.
*Myri is a Gypsy. Possibly with Silent Strider Blood.
*Lio would be a Gangrel, but have no affiliation.
*I can see the others as you have named them for various reasons...
Although I agree with Mel that Kyrademon is an Anarch Malkavian. KD would never fall pray to the false Setite beliefs, no matter how much fun they promise to be.

Melinda Sorn |

Have not seen Vampire Wars... (wanders over to hulu and netflix to see if it avaliable), have seen Leprechaun 4... and enjoyed it way too much.
Edit: have seen that... slightly twisted you are.
Nope. Alaric's a textbook Brujah.
Really? I look forward to seeing that :)

Alaric Graff |

Alaric Graff wrote:Nope. Alaric's a textbook Brujah.really? i kind of see him as a Toreador with a mean streak, and a derangement. he's too sensual to be a Brujah: he doesn't seem to enjoy a good fight, or a good argument, nearly enough.
That actually baffles me. In my eyes, Alaric has yet to be mean to anyone.
He doesn't enjoy fighting... but as for good arguments, what do you think he likes so much about Mel?

liothonae cromvathar |

liothonae cromvathar wrote:i warn you, it's bad, even for a Sci Fi movie, although i liked it.Oh, you have thrown down the gauntlet. :) I differentiate between "good films" and "enjoyable films."
I would recommend Vampire Wars: Battle for the Universe as an enjoyable Sci-Fi movie (although it feels like a role-playing game underlies the whole thing), and Leprechaun 4: In Space pretty much to anyone at any time. Warwick Davis + Space Marines (who consistently call him "The Alien").
wait... there's a difference? clearly you are a far more sophisticated movie goer than i. ;) i loved the Leprechaun movies!!!

Alaric Graff |

Alaric Graff wrote:bah. logic. :P still don't think of Alaric as a Brujah. but then, i don't RP with him much ;) i will ask Mel her opinion.:)
Anarchist and anarch are two different things. And besides, any clan can like art.
That's fine. In my eyes, Lio is clearly a Malkavian... her aversion to logic practically proves it :)

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i disagree on some points...
*I think Hrithik is a Ventrue. Sure he's an alechemist, but that doesn't necessarily make him a Tremere. It's not like he's a necromancer after all. He acts like a Ventrue.
(I debated this one, but I was going for maximum Clan coverage. Ventrue with most Discipline investment in Thaumaturgy is a hard sell, but weirder concepts have been approved. If he were a necromancer, though, that would be Giovanni or, kicking it old school, Cappadocian.)
Tremere ghoul embraced Ventrue?
*Although I agree with Mel that Kyrademon is an Anarch Malkavian. KD would never fall pray to the false Setite beliefs, no matter how much fun they promise to be.
Here I make a player / character separation ("but whuh?" I hear you cry ... please, don't interrupt this with logic). Ry, obviously, is Malkavian, but "Kyrademon" the tale teller is a wily, hypnotic being, luring the wayward and the defenseless onto a one-way journey they will not soon escape, the consequences of which they cannot begin to fathom, entirely in support of Kyra's blasphemously diabolical agenda. Mwa. Ha. Ha.
Also: heart in a jar. Just sayin'.

Melinda Sorn |

Good movie: The Godfather
Enjoyable movie: The Room
Based on that... I'll normally pick an enjoyable movie over a good one most days. I must be a heathen.
re: Salubi ~
based on the OOC information I just asked for ... who did you allow to embrace death for your powers?

liothonae cromvathar |

That's fine. In my eyes, Lio is clearly a Malkavian... her aversion to logic practically proves it :)
So here's my reasoning. In my experience, Brujah, no matter the age, or true-ness statue thereof, tend to fly off the handle, get mad, and get violent and like it. Even if they decry violence, they still loose their temper rather easily. I have not seen this in Alaric. He has generally kept his cool even in difficult situations. I thought of him as a Toreador whos art form was arguing, because he argues passionately, but doesn't try to convert others. I say he has a mean streak, because I have no clue as to his history, and those scars had to come from somewhere. ;)
Here I thought we were defining based on personality.

liothonae cromvathar |

liothonae cromvathar wrote:
i disagree on some points...
*I think Hrithik is a Ventrue. Sure he's an alechemist, but that doesn't necessarily make him a Tremere. It's not like he's a necromancer after all. He acts like a Ventrue.
(I debated this one, but I was going for maximum Clan coverage. Ventrue with most Discipline investment in Thaumaturgy is a hard sell, but weirder concepts have been approved. If he were a necromancer, though, that would be Giovanni or, kicking it old school, Cappadocian.)
Tremere ghoul embraced Ventrue?
Lio wrote:*Although I agree with Mel that Kyrademon is an Anarch Malkavian. KD would never fall pray to the false Setite beliefs, no matter how much fun they promise to be.Here I make a player / character separation ("but whuh?" I hear you cry ... please, don't interrupt this with logic). Ry, obviously, is Malkavian, but "Kyrademon" the tale teller is a wily, hypnotic being, luring the wayward and the defenseless onto a one-way journey they will not soon escape, the consequences of which they cannot begin to fathom, entirely in support of Kyra's blasphemously diabolical agenda. Mwa. Ha. Ha.
Also: heart in a jar. Just sayin'.
my mistake, i should have said thaumaturge, rather than necromancer.

Alaric Graff |

Oh, no. It's just that in any hypothetical what clan/tribe/class is this character, you have to look at a variety of traits and will have to weight one over the others.
Alaric is a healer. The only vampire clan with healing abilities are the Salubri. That's really the only link.
Alaric enjoys art. Toreador like art the best. It's a legitimate comparison.
Alaric is an anarchist who has a history of being kicked out of towns for reasons he doesn't want to go into as of yet. His two Domains are Liberation and Knowledge... aka the two things Clan Brujah loves above all others. That's the genesis of my thinking. He doesn't have the quick temper, it's true. Nor is he hell for leather. But to me, it's all about the character's defining philosophy. Who they are inside that matters the most.
For example, I see Kalimac as a Ventrue. He's a cavalier, which is explicitly supposed to be a noble order. Ventrue = noble. I could be completely offbase, after all, Ventrue don't have Animalism, which would be required to have a pet.
It's the same sort of thing when you try to assign alignments to non-D&D characters who aren't Ned Stark. And even then, I'd probably argue Lawful Neutral, whereas I'm sure Lawful Good would have some adherents.

Melinda Sorn |

That's fine. In my eyes, Lio is clearly a Malkavian... her aversion to logic practically proves it :)
Hey, my Malks always embrace logic. And occasionally fry the Tremere prince's mind by pulling him onto the network... But I remember there being a VERY logically reason to do that.

liothonae cromvathar |

Alaric Graff wrote:Good movie: The Godfather
Enjoyable movie: The Room
Based on that... I'll normally pick an enjoyable movie over a good one most days. I must be a heathen.
i agree on the movie thing... :) you're a heathen for several distinct reasons although none of them are 'cause you have good taste in films.

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Alaric Graff wrote:Nope. Alaric's a textbook Brujah.really? i kind of see him as a Toreador with a mean streak, and a derangement. he's too sensual to be a Brujah: he doesn't seem to enjoy a good fight, or a good argument, nearly enough.
Agree on this. It all comes down to Clan weakness and Discipline spread, for me. Alaric physically hurtled across camp and into the woods at a Performance check result of 29. Maybe an appropriately-inclined Brujah might do that, but a Toreador must do that. Also, Alaric's displayed range is much more Presence/Auspex than it is Presence/Potence or Presence/Celerity.
Plenty of Toreador get all rapturey about ideals, especially Dark Ages ones. Oration and argument are acceptable art forms, and Elysium harpies and those trying not to be their victims are all about subtle tricks of argumentation.

Alaric Graff |

A friend of mine hypothesized The Badness Spectrum, in which movies were rated on whether they were good, fun, bad, and not fun.
For example
Good, Fun: The Big Lebowski
Bad, Fun: The Room
Good, Not Fun: Children of Men
Bad, Not Fun: Vampire Dentist
The only problem with the Spectrum is that there is ongoing debate about whether or not Vampire Dentist is a movie.

liothonae cromvathar |

Alaric Graff wrote:That's fine. In my eyes, Lio is clearly a Malkavian... her aversion to logic practically proves it :)Hey, my Malks always embrace logic. And occasionally fry the Tremere prince's mind by pulling him onto the network... But I remember there being a VERY logically reason to do that.
i recall that seemed like a really good idea at the time. ;) of course, as i was the insane, blind, thin-blooded seer at the time, maybe my opinion shouldn't have so much weight.

Alaric Graff |

liothonae cromvathar wrote:Alaric Graff wrote:Nope. Alaric's a textbook Brujah.really? i kind of see him as a Toreador with a mean streak, and a derangement. he's too sensual to be a Brujah: he doesn't seem to enjoy a good fight, or a good argument, nearly enough.Agree on this. It all comes down to Clan weakness and Discipline spread, for me. Alaric physically hurtled across camp and into the woods at a Performance check result of 29. Maybe an appropriately-inclined Brujah might do that, but a Toreador must do that. Also, Alaric's displayed range is much more Presence/Auspex than it is Presence/Potence or Presence/Celerity.
Plenty of Toreador get all rapturey about ideals, especially Dark Ages ones. Oration and argument are acceptable art forms, and Elysium harpies and those trying not to be their victims are all about subtle tricks of argumentation.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this entirely hypothetical case. We're basically saying the same thing about different cases. "Some members of a clan do this, but ALL members of a clan do this."
And as for the music... I'm going to have to plead the fifth on that one. She's already jade. If she gets any more green, someone might put her in a salad.

liothonae cromvathar |

A friend of mine hypothesized The Badness Spectrum, in which movies were rated on whether they were good, fun, bad, and not fun.
For example
Good, Fun: The Big Lebowski
Bad, Fun: The Room
Good, Not Fun: Children of Men
Bad, Not Fun: Vampire DentistThe only problem with the Spectrum is that there is ongoing debate about whether or not Vampire Dentist is a movie.
having never seen Vampire Dentist, i cannot offer an opinion. though now i'm curious. :)

liothonae cromvathar |

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this entirely hypothetical case. We're basically saying the same thing about different cases. "Some members of a clan do this, but ALL members of a clan do this."
And as for the music... I'm going to have to plead the fifth on that one. She's already jade. If she gets any more green, someone might put her in a salad.
fair enough, i can happily agree to disagree. :)
and Mel has just put Vampire Dentist on the netflix cue, and been recommended Gothic Vampires from Hell as an insta watch...